Alan Bowler Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 https://www.msauk.org/assets/2016tyrelists1abc.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliW Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Well spotted Alan. I'll try and make sense of that when my ales have worn off tomorrow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjmmarsh Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 Great! That means CR500s are still in List1B. Handy if you have a CSR....Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2GBR Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 So for road modified kit cars ZZR in soft and Kumho V70 are now out as i read it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 2GBR that looks how i read itthe value of pre 1990 cars has just gone up as you can fit acb10 24 compound to themmakes no sense to me...rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan4182uk Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 That's how I read it too. I won't sell my soft ZZRs yet until I see the championship regs, but this will make all current Hill records unobtainable if 1C is out.Next question then - what's the best tyre in 13" on list 1B? Avon ZZS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliW Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 It seems to be Dan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comp Scorer Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 I can't see any reason why the speed championship won't be allowing both 1B & 1C in classes 3,4,5,6 but please wait for official confirmaion from Paul & the new regs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan4182uk Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 I hope so, it took me half the season to find out just how amazing the ZZRs are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon.Rogers Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 There won't be a problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comp Sec Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Providing that there aren't any unforeseen issues, it would seem perfectly reasonable to allow List 1B & 1C tyres for Classes 3 upwards for 2016. So, subject to confirmation from the MSA, we don't have to make any wholesale changes to our regs - for tyres anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliW Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Chaps,Won't the blue book need to be changed (S.11.6.2) to allow 1C tyres, unless we go for Mod Prod based regulations in classes 3 and up?Oli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Miller 7 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Never read anything so ridiculous in my life! Has anyone who writes these regulations thought about the implications of these tyre lists?I am assuming that every record in road legal (list 1B) will need to be reset, as the records will now not be achievable? Added to this, tyre warming has been or will be prohibited almost everywhere. On that note, I am assuming that the L7C records have been reset for Gurston?EXCEPT - If you have a car that is pre-1990 you now have an unfair advantage over everyone else. You may as well allow me to fit a supercharger and still count me as 1800cc (not talking about L7C here).You either allow something or you don't in my opinion. I can't see how you can have a fair championship when the rules are different within the same class?So, with the exception perhaps of the L7C for 2016, you now need a pre-1990 car, or you go list 1A (which is frankly dangerous on a higher power car) or you give up road legal and go slicks - but then I'm 100BHP short and don't have a sequential gearbox.This is meant to be fun, affordable club racing. I know I haven't raced this year but this tyre rule change has made me think twice about next. Where am I to compete? Same again but with no hope of getting near records? Change car to pre-1990 (but then that's no fun knowing you have a huge advantage over most)? Upgrade (a lot) and go slicks? Go next level and buy a Force LM or similar?Be interesting to see if this new list is modified in the next few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon.Rogers Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Calm down dear ! Our records will remain but they will be referenced to List 1C tyres as thats what was used. There are no 1B records in existence. Not sure what other clubs do but frankly I don't really care.So why not wipe the dust off your car send me your dampers for the all new Digressive Nitron Valving I have sorted and show us how its done again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Evans Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 STOP Press: Received by Alan Warburton from Tim Wilson last night . . You will be aware of the recent changes to the classification of Road Tyres. The MSA has been forced to make changes to the tyres in list 1B by a change in EU/EEC Regulations. Tyres failing to meet the new EU regulations have been moved to list 1C. The amended list can be found on the MSA website.We have been asked which tyres will be permitted in the Road Going classes next year and have now clarified this with the MSA.Cars in the Road Going classes in next year's MSA British Hillclimb and Hillclimb Leaders Championship will be permitted to use tyres in list 1A or 1B only. I don't know how it affects you guys in the L7C championship but I'm not a happy bunny as it will undoubtedly affect the Midland Hill Climb championship too. Anybody want to buy a nearly new set of ZZRs?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 So I am putting 2+2 together and getting 5 by suggestion (as maybe has been said above)That if we within our championship allow 1C in classes 3-6, then those cars would have to conform to Mod Prod rules.Or am I missing something..RobPS. I am not exactly sure what if any changes are needed to run in mod prod rules with a "road legal" car.P.P.S Ken - if we allow 1C's you can always come and play with us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comp Sec Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 I have also posed questions to the MSA regarding List IB & 1C in roadgoing classes for 2016 but would prefer not to comment until I get their official answer. As I understand it, the main implication of going modprod is that a HANS device must be fitted.I promise to let you all know when I get a reply from the MSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cskip Posted October 14, 2015 Share Posted October 14, 2015 If you are in the Mod Prod does the car need a MSA log book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Clive - AFAIK not if your car is road legal, then the MOT, V5 etc will suffice. Of course I could be wrong, just what i hve heard on other forums.... rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon.Rogers Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I have yet to be asked for log book at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Durrant Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 The Blue Book states the following in Section (S) Sprints, Hillclimbs and Drag Racing: 9.1.7. All cars competing in Hill Climbs or Sprints must be presented for scrutineering with a valid Competition Car Log Book/Vehicle Passport or an MSA Recognised Vehicle Identity Document unless the car is currently licensed for use on the public highway and is competing in a road legal condition or is currently used in circuit racing and is entered in an event on an occasional basis only. The onus of proof rests with the competitor.My understanding is a V5 will suffice provided the car is road legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliW Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Some championships require an MSA log book in their own champ regs AFAIK. The Midland HIllclimb being the example I'm thinking of.Just a thought about tyres, it might be worth considering that some drivers will compete in other non L7C events next year, where only List 1A and 1B will be permitted. So IF the club choose to go to mod prod (in name even if still in roadgoing trim but with 1C tyres) in class 3 and above then that may have an impact.Oli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Durrant Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 OliI agree and the club also need to consider competitors who already have 1C tyres which they intended to use next season. Hopefully we can come to a sensible decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Richard Price Posted October 15, 2015 Area Representative Share Posted October 15, 2015 Whilst I'd like things to stay just as they are, if we're looking to make our championship more inclusive, then use of less specialist tyres has got to be a good thing.As the standard compound ZZR, ZZS, and CR500 are listed as 1b for next year, along with Toyo R888 & R888R, then there is a reasonable choice of tyres available.I fear the MSA may not "play ball" with our plan, and we may be forced to discard our stocks of unused A24 ZZR's and supersoft Kumhos. There was talk at the final round of the British hillclimb championship at Loton park just three weeks ago of the roadgoing specialist production class of the leaders championship running list 1C next year, but it would now seem that the MSA have quashed that.We can speculate all we like, but, if the MSA won't approve our plans, then we may be forced to change! Fortunately, most of those who'll loose out the most, have already been bitten by the competition bug, and whilst we won't like it, we'll run what ever tyres we need to to compete.Again, I think, long term, we have a better chance of encouraging newcomers if we use less specialist tyres than we have done for the last few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliW Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I agree with all that Richard. I guess some might be put off by the fact that we use specialist tyres at the moment and could be tempted in without them. I recall a few saying so in the survey that Matthew did when he took over the Comp Sec role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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