RiF Posted February 1, 2008 Author Share Posted February 1, 2008 A good meeting and lots of enthuiasm to break my wings 😬. Seems the spoon and fork that was used to protect the wing from the crow bar came off the worse Was quiet amazed at how much force you can apply and that the cable tie can be broken before the adhesive goes Tyrone has taken the wing home to continue the testing. I am getting some more Bigheads and shall also do a bit more testing. We will let you know Trying to produce a kit with everything you need in it (bighead, 2 sizes of cable ties for fit to glue/final fit, course paper to rub down, glue, instructions, a reinforcing patch if needed) Thanks NE7. Hope to visit you again RiF Driving one of the first Duratec 7, and building CA07BON for Henrietta 😬 😬 😬.for pictures of 7 and carbon andCA07BON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrone Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 I missed out on the BB for the Bighead 'Tyrap' bases. I called Bighead direct and they advised that the minimum order quantity was £50, so I asked if they had stockists because I didn't want that many. The lady asked if I had a kit car, yes I said (without getting into a long debate ) so she said we get special dispensation to buy as few as we need! So, I've ordered 10 at £1.30 each plus normal postage costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickrick Posted February 1, 2008 Share Posted February 1, 2008 Slight hijack....There's no way Sikaflex will let go if you've cleaned the area to be bonded, properly. (I use acetone) I work in the yachting industry, and I've seen boats built with it! (It's the only thing that keeps Sunseekers together! I should know, I used to work for them. ) You wold have to break the wing to get it off, if it's been applied properly. You can also get it in small tubes. If all around you say it can't be done, all the more reason to do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrone Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 There seems little doubt that Sikaflex works, however, what do you do if you need to take the cycle wing off. I know it doesn't happen that often, but once in a while access to the suspension or brakes would be easier without the wing in the way. With this method the wing is off and on in seconds. Hands up if you have struggled for an hour to get a bolted wing off. NE Area Rep Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer, We'll keep the red flag flying here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Whitley Posted February 2, 2008 Share Posted February 2, 2008 Results of my unscheduled testing (when someone reversed into me): * (fibreglass) wing folded about half way back * both legs of the wingstay bent about 2" backwards * one tie-wrap snapped * one Bighead bent - the buckle part * no sign of failure of the glassfibre I bonded the Bigheads with Temporary repair consisted of bending and belting the wingstay back into position, bending the Bighead back into shape and fitting new tie-wraps The wing had been on for three years / 25k miles. Edited by - Tony Whitley on 2 Feb 2008 13:45:18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Walker Posted February 3, 2008 Share Posted February 3, 2008 If you have used Sikaflex to bond your wings on, you can remove them by cutting the sikaflex witha craft knife. Mickrick the only failure that I have seen when Sikaflex has been used to bond wings on is were the powder coating on the wingstays has been left on and corrsion has got behind the coating and the adhesive. I always remove the powder coating and degrease before bonding and have never had a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrone Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 I have tested RiF's preferred method of fixing and cannot get it to fail. In all instances it is the cable tie which fails. My own wings are now fitted in a similar manner using 8 Bighead cable tie fasteners and the 2 part adhesive RiF uses for bonding carbon fibre elements together. The hardest part of the install is setting up your wings in the right place. Not quite measure twice cut once, but line everything up, a long straight edge and masking tape helps. I'm sorry, I did plan to take some photographs but it's hard to hold a camera and two wings at the same time. NE Area Rep Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer, We'll keep the red flag flying here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SV Gary Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Rif - I am picking up some new front cycle wings next week, I have the big head fasteners but needs the adhesive, tie wraps and preperation instructions - can I get these from you yet 🤔 The lead dog always gets the best view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Brother Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 RiF - is the 2 pack adhesive available yet? Steve SE7EN-UP! -----Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life!----- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain chaos Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Mickrick, When you say prep is everything exactly what do you do?...I've got a freshly powdercoated pair of wingstays and some new wings. Some say remove the powdercoating but I can't see why if they are new. I've recently cut my old wings off and I was amazed at how well they black adhesive held them on. There's no way they could have failed. Tips appreciated... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnty Lyons Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Abrade the powder coating lightly to give a matt finish also abrade the underside of the wing to give same, clean with acetone to remove all traces grease and dust Apply your chosen poison to both surfaces and bring to-gether. Using a pair latex gloves or similar smooth out the sealant either side of wing stay forcing it into joint and removing all air pockets. I can lift the front of my car [engine out] with my front wings and they've been stuck on there for 5 yrs since i removed the bolts. I used a Den Braven adhesive similar to Sikaflex I also agree with Mickrick..... Sealine use Sikaflex to glue boats together It works. jj N.I. L7C AR 🙆🏻 Membership No.3927. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain chaos Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Cheers.. I've got some Tiger seal (?) which I've also seen recommended elsewhere.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beverlonian Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 I am just about to fix my wings with Bighead fasteners and Sikaflex 221. I thought I'd bought the stuff that I'd seen someone else use with success. Other than this all I have available is some Henkel Terostat 9220, what about that? It looks although it has the same sort of properties ie good adhesion, flexibility and resistance to salt. I was going to use the same method as I read above, fasten bigheads to stays then plonk on the wing. I also considered using some luggage straps to tie round the wing & wheel to hold them in place. You can always count me in on the trial if you can give me an idea if I'm on the right track! keepin left Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z3MCJez Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Did the kit mentioned by RiF ever get put together for this? This is where I'm at in my build, and I like the sound of this rather than the bolts or attaching directly to the wing-stay. Jeremy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SV Gary Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Jeremy I purchase the kit from Rif nearly a year ago - cycle wings have been fitted with this kit and I have had no problems whatsover to date - works very well for me. The lead dog always gets the best view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SV Gary Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 Jeremy I purchase the kit from Rif nearly a year ago - cycle wings have been fitted with this kit and I have had no problems whatsover to date - works very well for me. The lead dog always gets the best view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z3MCJez Posted January 5, 2009 Share Posted January 5, 2009 I've also bought a kit from RiF too. It's curing at the moment BTW, and it was done to death somewhere else recently, but RiF - very easy to deal with and stuff arrived very quickly, exactly as required. Jez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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