greg Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 On a drysumped Xflow? I have a rather dead banner, and need to replace it. Looking at thought it will not comeout from underneather as the clutchcable, drysump pump and battery tray are in the way, the steering column might also be in the way. To remove it from the top I would need to remove either the manifold, carbs or both. Any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheds Moderator Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Remove the carbs. Sorry. You will get better at taking them on and off with practice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puremalt Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 I had the position changed to infront of the passenger bulkhead. Much easier now. Clamshells...You Know It Makes Sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Burrell Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 I was in a similar position with my Vauxhall and found that by removing the engine mount fixing bolts on the chassis I was able to move the engine just far enough sideways to drop the battery out from below. But I don't have a dry sump pump. Mick Burrell AO West Hants West Hants Web Site Edited by - Mick Burrell on 13 Sep 2004 12:22:18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sootysevener Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Greg i agree with Puremalts suggestion but you gotta get the oldun out first. Local Webber agent suggested it might be engine out job - hope not but best of luck David 1989 1700XF SS with upgraditis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 I have to remove my carbs. If you leave the accelerator cable bracket on (bolted to each carb underneath) then the carbs can be removed complete with air filters still fitted, in one. I remove the accelorator cable from the carb, and slide out of cable bracket, Remove the two fuel unions (one from each carb), and remove the nuts and rubber mounts which hold carbs to manifold. I can then lift the carbs from the manifold in one, and gain access to battery. I'm thinking of putting a remote battery charger plug in, as I'm tired of reaching under the carbs to attach charger/conditioner leads and cutting my hands on the wire locks on the carbs. Cheers, Andy Trying to put a 2.0 VX race car on the road :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alien Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 I had a DS 1700 XF and was able to drop it out from underneath by jacing the car up high and getting a steep angle of attack on the battery. I taped over the batt tops and made sure the overflow pipe was blocked to prevent acid loss. Got thenew batt in the same route. Unless you have a bigger than Banney batt installed you should be ok. Edited by - SteveA7 on 13 Sep 2004 14:26:27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christian.v Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normans_Ghost Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Be aware that if the battery to be tilted is not individually sealed cells the front cell will be low and the back cell overfull which will lead to early failure. I have a Red Top which is so small it easily goes in between pedal box & battery tray and will lay upright or sideways and is fully sealed. They are expensive at £65+ but, I think, worth it for ease of getting in or out and light weight. norman verona, 1989 BDR 220bhp, Mem No 2166, the full story here Edited to say that the owners manual says, remover carbs, remove steering coloumn, replace battery. Edited by - nverona on 13 Sep 2004 16:24:14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe 90 Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 On mine it comes out through the bottom (just). SEP field working, not spotted in 102,400 miles. Some photos on webshots, updated 10 June Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F355GTS Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Later chassis's do not allow the battery to come out the bottom ☹️ on my X/Flow i had to remove, Steering column, Coil and rear Carb Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg Posted September 13, 2004 Author Share Posted September 13, 2004 Thanks Gents, seems like a load of a*se. Right, battery replacement suggestions and suppliers. Like the look of the redtop, what size? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy Smith Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 Greg, 1. If you need a hand sorting this out let me know I'm semi-unemployed at the moment so potentially have time on hand. 2. Ammo had a source for fancy compact batteries, I think they were military spec Hawker possibly, really can't remember but very compact and could slot it in anywhere. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normans_Ghost Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 Greg, I got mine from Demon Tweeks. It's the Red Top 20. Speak to Dave Kimberly, tell him your a 7 club member and he may get you discount. The latest catalouge prices it at £68.75. It's samll and light, so small & light that I can pick it up between thumb & finger. norman verona, 1989 BDR 220bhp, Mem No 2166, the full story here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete east Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 Has anyone done a conversion which allows the battery to sit on the flat section of Aluminium above the passengers footwell, Saw this on Russells V8 Caterham, and it seemed the logical place to stick the battery in any case. If so what was involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Sewell Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 If you have the space, then DT also do battery trays for some of the RedTop batteries. Then it is just a re-wiring exercise. Low tech luddite - xflow and proud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe 90 Posted September 14, 2004 Share Posted September 14, 2004 In future I'm going to put the battery behind the passenger seat to improve the weight distribution. SEP field working, not spotted in 102,400 miles. Some photos on webshots, updated 10 June Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midnight Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 I'm just going throught the same process by removing a Banner battery on a later x-flow chassis with the 'Y' shaped tubes under the battery tray. It does mean carbs out I'm afraid if you have a post 92 chassis with a X-flow. I'm replacing it with a Powervamp PRV25 battery which is so small that in future I won't need to take the carbs off, as the battery will drop out from under the car although I need to make up a much smaller battery tray to hold it. These PV 25's have 'captured' acid plates and therefore won't spill anything nasty out, (you can fit them sideways too) and they have a very high cranking speed good for hight compression engines, and an 8 -10 working life, but they are more expensive, and you can't use some battery chargers with it as too much voltage will kill them instantly. So its either a trickle charger or one of th 'smart' chargers which only supply just the right amount of current to match the battery charge state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 James Whiting use to do a kit to sit the battery above the bellhousing its not on his site anymore but might be worth a ring. Worked a treat now mine has a bit Freedom battery where the heater use to be ❗ If he does not do them anymore you could make one yourself fairly easily, but maybe I should wait before telling you how till you check James does not sell them anymore. 'Can you hear me running' ......... OH YES and its music to my ears 😬 😬 😬 1988 200 bhp, 146 ft lbs, 1700cc Cosworth BD? engineered by Roger King, on Weber's with Brooklands and Clamshell wings, Freestyle Motorsport suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JACK FLASH Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Greg, Perhaps I can help. See the other topic "Battery location" about the same problem. Jack Flash j.jackflash@hotmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 This shows you where mine is same place as Jack Flash here and here (ignore mark on the wing its not really there)the wasted spark coil sits on the old brakets from James Whiting's battery mount only I have removed the battery tray and put a plate in for the wasted spark coil. The photo's are a bit old and a few bits look different now 'Can you hear me running' ......... OH YES and its music to my ears 😬 😬 😬 1988 200 bhp, 146 ft lbs, 1700cc Cosworth BD? engineered by Roger King, on Weber's with Brooklands and Clamshell wings, Freestyle Motorsport suspension. Edited by - Bilbo on 11 Feb 2009 19:36:41 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Day Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 On mine it comes out through the bottom (just). 🙆🏻.....must be painful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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