Guest Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 looks like a good turnout again for Aintree, Class 1 610 Becky Boston 503 Andrew McKay 505 Clive Marsden 508 Steve Causey 509 Gary Beezer 510 Paul Boston 511 Steffan Eldred 512 Robert jacobs Class 2 525 Mike Cocker 526 John Bransfield 527 Roger Legg 528 Chris Bramall 530 Alan Bowler 531 Robert Spencer 532 Paul Collins 533 Andrew Willoughby 534 Graham Howard Class 3 545 Philip Matchwick 547 James Thornton 550 Andy Taylor 551 Oliver Wright 552 David Horne 555 Matthew Jenkins 557 Richard Price Class 4 558 Phil Cook 568 Martin Sargent lynn Gilbert (hiding in Class 2B) Nigel Fox (Also hiding in class 2B) Class 5 679 Gill Elwell 575 Graham Denholm 576 Simon Harrison-Moore 579 Shaun Elwell Edited by - Comp.scorer on 17 Jun 2014 12:12:48 Edited by - comp.scorer on 17 Jun 2014 17:31:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Fox Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I am also hiding in class 2B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 OKay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Fox Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Just to explain..I am competing in both the Longton and the Chester/Liverpool speed champs. Their regs require you to be entered in the same class at an event as you are in their championship. Luckily the Lotus Seven club is more enlightened and Mr Bramhall is able to find my times from wherever I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Willoughby Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I should clarify that Martin Sargeant (Class 4) is not currently registered for the championship. He requested to run with us, which I have no problem with, but he will be omitted from our results. Unless he enters the championship before next weekend of course..... Welcome back Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandmaster Flatcap Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 SWMBO permitting I'd like to pop along for a spectate. Can someone let me know when this is due to kick off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Willoughby Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Practice normally starts around 9am. The competitive runs follow on from practice and I would guess will start around 11am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cookie Monster Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Matthew So timed runs start at 11am. What time is lunch pls? My son will come with his Grandad & watch timed runs probably after lunch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Aintree have a bit of history for wanting to give value for money, so providing everything goes to plan there will be timed runs up to around 4pm from memory. I think the last time we were there they were disappointed we stopped after 6 timed runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Willoughby Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Phil, All of the times that I gave above were guesses based on previous visits. It will be for the organisers to decide when to take lunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Support Team rob spencer Posted June 21, 2014 Support Team Share Posted June 21, 2014 Aintree has always been very good value in terms of the number of runs we get, if not the number of corners we get to go round . I think the LDMC limit the number of runs to count to a maximum of four for the rest of the field, which means most of the other (non L7) competitors pack up after four runs leaving lots of time for some extra runs for those that want them. I suggest we should declare the maximum number of runs to count to the L7C championship before we start; we have in the past had to decide where to draw the line when competitors may well have vested interests in extending or limiting the number of runs depending on their standing at the time. I suggest we limit the number of competition runs to four, or the same number allowed/ announced by the LDMC for the event. Views? Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 In previous years i've limited to 2practice and 6 timed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Richard Price Posted June 21, 2014 Area Representative Share Posted June 21, 2014 Quoting rob spencer: I suggest we limit the number of competition runs to four, or the same number allowed/ announced by the LDMC for the event. Views? Rob I agree. Four timed runs to count is plenty to cover for the odd mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgrigsby Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 It was a few years ago but didn't we end up with about 8 runs one year? I think the L7C were the only people to keep on going round 😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Yup, the year after when asked to set the limit , we thought 6 timed was a good balance between plenty of value , chances to improve and still being done fairly early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Willoughby Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 The MSA approved championship regs state: "all class runs offered at each round will count for Championship scoring". We cannot therefore arbitrarily decide to alter the regs for one event. If the organisers offer a run to everybody, it must count. I will be there but am not competing so will, if If it turns out that we are the only ones running and if it is appropriate to do so, ask the organisers to stop after 6 runs. I think this should still give a reasonably early finish and will give the novices as much opportunity as possible to get up to speed. We can make the call on the day but we can't change the regs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlies Angel Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 I know that that is what it says in the regs Matthew but it has led to a few strange events, like the first time we went to Blyton - I know I had to leave before the timed runs were over, as it was such a long way home. We have agreed on the day at previous events to limit the number of runs that count, presumably we could do this again if the organisers offer more than four? Obviously this could only happen if we were all in support of the proposal. I personally think that 6 timed runs is far too many and would support asking the organisers to limit it to four, if we can not limit our own. Lynn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Willoughby Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 On the other hand, others who also have a long way to travel want to get as much track time as possible to make all the traveling worthwhile. We have been criticised in the past for not having much track time. Providing we don't finish late I don't see a problem. I'm not sure what "strange events" there were at Blyton as a result of having lots of runs last year. We didn't finish any later than you would normally expect from my recollection. I think we will have to make a decision on the day based on how long it takes to get through the runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Bowler Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 others who also have a long way to travel want to get as much track time as possible to make all the traveling worthwhile. This I'm entered for the first time as I heard there are generally alot of runs, and its friendly and well organised. That and tracks without too many corners tend to suit me 😬. 6 sounds good to me. AB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Looking back at last years facebook entries from Liverpool MC for there June sprint, 107 entries, 2 Practice & 6 Timed runs, all done and dusted by 4:15pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Fox Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 This is the value for money North! The event will finish by 4.30, some people will have to stay for the presentation anyway. I have much more of a problem at Loton waiting for a second timed run at 6pm. Incidentally, there's a Longton sprint at the fab 3 sisters track at Wigan on the Sunday. If we go to Aintree next year it would make a great weekend, have a look on YouTube, and you'd get at least six more runs and you wouldn't be worrying about getting away from Aintree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaterBram Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 The number of runs may end up being a mute point. Entries are now up to 135 or a possible 150, so it looks like being a busy day. Edited by - CaterBram on 21 Jun 2014 23:34:42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Support Team rob spencer Posted June 22, 2014 Support Team Share Posted June 22, 2014 Personally I will be happy to stick with the MSA regs with regard to the runs being offered provided the "runs offered" count for all entrants at the event. In the past I believethe L7C has used more runs than were offered to count to the whole field ie we were allowed to continue with runs until we got bored and we allowed the "unofficial" runs to count to our championship. Its this bit I think detracts from the competition. If the LMC decides it will use only say four timed runs to count, then a large proportion of the 100 or so non-L7 competitors will pack up and go home after their fourth competition run. If L7C decides to allow further runs to count, the gap between runs is likely to be much reduced, tyres will generally be running warmer and grippier, times will reduce, and the first four competition runs (with cooler tyres due to the longer gap between runs allowing the tyres to cool fully) will effectively be an extra four practice runs. And that isn't good for a good competition. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david nelson Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Rob Intreasting points. I like 3 timed runs. Its just anough to get it wrong and get out of jail. The we will keep going it we run out of time is a less focused day. Yes the tyres a hot but you can achevie this by getting a driving partner. I would always like 2 practice and 3 time runs if it was posible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Im thinking of popping down the East Lancs Road for a run out in the 7 and see whats going on. Aintree is a big place - where and how do I access the event to spectate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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