jonboylaw Posted June 7, 2011 Author Share Posted June 7, 2011 Thanks guys, I'm just trying to get my head around all the requirements for the Blacktop over the silvertop. Also breather boxes etc... The Quote I got for the Blacktop was from the ebay guy, but without having to go through the aution etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaterBram Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 hi Jon, The cooling circuit I sent you does not use the raceline water rail, but uses the standard zetec thermostat housing and hoses. Have a look when we meet up next month. I've got a retroford sump on, only issue I had was the gasket is not the best, but I go my sump second hand and think it may be slightly out. Sealed with gasket eliminator. For the water pump on the black top you either need a different water pump or an idler, I fitted an idler off an escort I had laying around. For the alternator bracket you can make your own, I boughtt on from Retroford and found it put the aletnator too far out so found it would fit if mounted through further down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonboylaw Posted June 8, 2011 Author Share Posted June 8, 2011 Cheers Chris, I will take lots of photos of your car when you come up, so be prepared to strip!! 😬 Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaseb Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I started off with a Dunnell sump, which was a cut down and welded zetec item, perfectly adequate here However when we changed to a black top I was unable to resist the charms of the Raceline jobby, it really is the dogs knees. But yes you do pay the premium. ETA linky Edited by - JaseB on 8 Jun 2011 14:10:58 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaterBram Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Oi, john, what do you take me for, I'll not strip for nothing 😳 It'll be at least a black coffee & a biscuit 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damdy-Cash Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 this would do the job just perfect cheers Volker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zetec Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 My god. A bit steep price!! A new engine from racking is 750. Sump 400.jenny kit 1000. Can't understand why starting bid is 3k?? Too dear already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyR Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 The eBay engine looks well worth more than £3000. ECU, updated head, cams etc soon add up. I found how much all the ancillary bits add up to on my recent duratec conversion! Also beware of engines which are factory seconds Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zetec Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Are the eBay ones for 650 factory seconds? If that's the case I'm getting mine from Raceline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyR Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 I guess its best to obtain evidence of source etc. A friend has had problems with a new black top zetec not from eBay but bought for around £700 and things dont add up. I expect others gave had good experiences from eBay etc. Tony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheds Moderator Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 The ebay ones I've seen come with a cert of newness and are delivered from Ford direct. There's no evidence of them being seconds but it seems wise to check. The seller says they are brand new, intended for a range of cars but superseded by the Dura. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezky Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 The ebay engine is the same spec as mine, I would question why it is being sold 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaseb Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Don't forget: Head + cams = £1025 plus vat and fitting Water rail = £200 plus vat and fitting Omex = £525 plus vat Sump = £400 plus vat Doesn't mention the loom but that's another £200 plus vat if included Total of those alone is £2820 odd Sounds like a free engine and jenveys to me, bargain... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonboylaw Posted June 9, 2011 Author Share Posted June 9, 2011 Cheers Volker, that looks a good deal... I will watch with interest. The Ones from Kitparts (ebay) are genuine Ford deliveries with certificates of newness with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumster Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 It does seem like excellent value at the starting price, but am I the only one that would feel uneasy about investing in something as major as this (that is not being sold by a known company) from ebay? I note that he says he bought it from Raceline. Might be worth asking them what they know of the situation.... Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersprint1988 Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 The ebay seller gave me the name of the original buyer of this engine. I have spoken to Raceline and they confirm that they built an engine to the 200BHP spec for this chap. I am very tempted by this offer, but I think my finances will find it difficult to match the finals offers So it will probably be a new blacktop and carbs for me, but thats not too bad either 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drumster Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Nothing wrong with Blacktop and carbs 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zetec Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 my brother in law has just bought4 off kitbuys off ebay. no1 is going in as i type this (transit connect van) so we shall see if there rubbish. we asked raceline for a discount on 5 engines they came back still too dear plus the vat. those on ebay are 650 including vat!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaterBram Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 My 1.8 came from kitparts in hull. the engines are brand new and delivered to kitparts in batchs from ford personally i would not hesitate from using them again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonboylaw Posted June 9, 2011 Author Share Posted June 9, 2011 Zetec, I was quoted around £750 inc Vat for 1, was that a price for 4 ? Seems to be a straight up guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbot Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 If I instal a brand new engine into a '92 chassis, what requirements are there in terms of emmissions etc... would I need to fit a CAT or is it the chassis/1st registration date that is counted ? Did you get an answer to this question? Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheds Moderator Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Yes, bottom of page 1 I replied, I think other people contributed too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbot Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 So forgive me for being dim but a newer chasis will need full cat and emmisions etc *Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaterBram Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 My understanding is that it's the older of the chassis and engine, together with the date first used. have a look at http://www.motuk.co.uk/images/7.3page6.pdf A simple guide is your previous MOT for your 7. The emision levels which applied to your 7 with the old engine will still stay the same for the new engine. Mine was a 1990 kit built which required just a visible smoke test, move onto 2011 with a nice new zetec, still just needs a visible smoke test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbot Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 I guess it is not usually a problem as most of the people upgrading to a Zetec are coming from an X-Flow. I have a concern as I may need to upgrade to something that does pass later emission spec. Sorry for al of the / / / in the last post I did it from a PC with a mac keyboard and it didnt work well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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