simonbell Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Guys I`m trying to decide where to mount the alternator........... I have the following setup: Std chassis 2000cc duratec Raceline DTH TB`s Raceline exhaust (the one which drops down on the engine side of the steering column Non removable engine bay diagonal Wet sump However I do at some point want to fit a wet sump, preferably the Racelin internal pump version if it ever appears but it may be a PAce or Titan system. So where is the best place to mount the alternator to fit in with the above but which will aslo accomodate an external dry sump pump if I go down that route. Simon Bell - Caterham 7 Duratec R I`ve seen the future.....and it`s powered by duratec Check out the website here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgrigsby Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Simon, Based on some comments that Ammo has made I think there is only one type of alternator that will fit if you use an external dry sump pump. I think it's a very small nipon denso style one, I'm sure Ammo can confirm exactly which one it is and where is the based place to fit it. Cheers Rob G Edited by - rgrigsby on 7 Feb 2005 13:39:49 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 With the Pace or Titan sump the alternator has to go on the exhaust side. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonbell Posted February 7, 2005 Author Share Posted February 7, 2005 I noticed that PAce have two kits now one for either side of the engine. Does that make any difference? It`s not really a big issue........it just seems much neater when the alternator is installed on inlet side. I`ve had the front cover milled anyway.........I just hope I`ve had enough taken off Simon Bell - Caterham 7 Duratec R I`ve seen the future.....and it`s powered by duratec Check out the website here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMMO Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Mick did all the ground breaking work here. The pump has to go on the inlet side otherwise it hits the steering column. Alternator has to go on the exhaust side with Pace dry sump. AMMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeE Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Mick, will the alternator fit on the exhaust side if you have Simon's primaries (i.e. not the Up and Over type minister use) 🤔 R400 Duratec 230bhp Build and Modification Pictures here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonbell Posted February 7, 2005 Author Share Posted February 7, 2005 Does the alternator fit on the exhaust side when the original Raceline exhaust is used. I think I`ve seen photos of the alternator mounted in under the front primary............. This may all be academic as I seem to be hearing that the wet sump is coping well even on track and that dry sumping may not be strictly necessary. Which alternator is everyone using? Simon Bell - Caterham 7 Duratec R I`ve seen the future.....and it`s powered by duratec Check out the website here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonbell Posted February 7, 2005 Author Share Posted February 7, 2005 Beat me to it Mike Simon Bell - Caterham 7 Duratec R I`ve seen the future.....and it`s powered by duratec Check out the website here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 Mike ,Simon I'll have a word with Pete at Raceline and see which No1 primary they are using. I've been supplying the 50amp Denso alternators with my fittings. Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonbell Posted February 7, 2005 Author Share Posted February 7, 2005 It looks to be possible. I`ve found a picture of richard in France`s car.......in the duratec gallery on Jackal`s website. It clearly shows the alternator on the exhaust side behind no.1 primary. So looks like that is the way to go for me and then it leaves the dry sump options open later on. By the way Mick, did you get my email offlist? Simon Bell - Caterham 7 Duratec R I`ve seen the future.....and it`s powered by duratec Check out the website here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul D Jones Posted February 7, 2005 Share Posted February 7, 2005 See here Paul. See My Car Here Edited by - paul.d.jones on 7 Feb 2005 21:34:11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMMO Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Mick's alternator bracketry with the small Nippon Denso alternator fit with the Raceline 1.75" headers. This is what I use with the Pace dry sump. AMMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonbell Posted February 8, 2005 Author Share Posted February 8, 2005 Ammo Thanks............have you got a picture.......and can you supply the alternator? Simon Bell - Caterham 7 Duratec R I`ve seen the future.....and it`s powered by duratec Check out the website here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeE Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 I got the alternator from Raceline and Mick provided the bracket. I've got a picture here which shows both (I assume this is a Nippon Denso alternator 🤔) R400 Duratec 230bhp Build and Modification Pictures here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonbell Posted February 8, 2005 Author Share Posted February 8, 2005 Cheers Mike............I`m a bit concerned I haven`t had enough material taken off the timing chain cover I had the big engine mount machined down to the same level as the flat area above it. From your photo it looks like it may need a fair bit more............damn...........blast.............. *mad* Nice dinky alternator though Simon Bell - Caterham 7 Duratec R I`ve seen the future.....and it`s powered by duratec Check out the website here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMMO Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 MikeE That's the one. Simon Speak to Mick, I think he can get the alternators and supply the brackets. AMMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonbell Posted February 8, 2005 Author Share Posted February 8, 2005 Ammo Thanks........I`ve ben speaking to Mick re: brackets, I`ll drop him a line re: alternator as well. Simon Bell - Caterham 7 Duratec R I`ve seen the future.....and it`s powered by duratec Check out the website here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobuy Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Hi Simon, Looks like you have plenty of answers, I have used a couple of different "MIC" alternator configurations, although as you know I have a LHD SV. Pictures on the site below. All we need is for Mic to get his new website up and running and there will be a proper reference library available 24/7............ Duratec Se7en SV, built in Dubai, pics here! Edited by - Dobuy on 8 Feb 2005 17:51:07 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mic Posted February 8, 2005 Share Posted February 8, 2005 Neil I've not got far with it but its here Mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonbell Posted February 8, 2005 Author Share Posted February 8, 2005 Right I`ve decided to go wet sump for now and mount the alternator on the inlet side beneath the thermostat. The reason for this is that I now know I have not removed enough material from the timing chain cover to allow the belt across to the alternative alternator mounting position. That and the fact that all of the dry sump systems still seem to have a few installation or availability issues...........oh and I`ve reassembled the engine so the timing chain cover has been refitted. I`ll go dry sump with next winters round of upgrades. Simon Bell - Caterham 7 Duratec R I`ve seen the future.....and it`s powered by duratec Check out the website here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobuy Posted February 9, 2005 Share Posted February 9, 2005 Thanks Mick, my shortcuts list was just not quite complete without your site on it Duratec Se7en SV, built in Dubai, pics here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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