John Vine Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Well, I didn't say I was convinced, merely that, so far, I've not experienced a problem. But should one arise, I have a simple remedy. Removing the cooler altogether closes off that option.JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR400D Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 I appreciate that there might be technically better solutions but I too have run on the road with the oil cooler blanked off. As it happened I saw no discernible difference in either the water or oil temperature, covered or uncovered. ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant_7 Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 I blank mine off and do very much notice an increase in oil temp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR400D Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 How many degrees? Thing is I don't really have an issue with the oil warming. On a day when the ambient is say 15-20c it takes about 5 miles to get up to 60c in the DS tank which I'm quite happy with. Once it's fully warm it's about 70c. On track 80c (not tried the blanking on track) Yes, I know some will say I should be measuring peak temperature but there a solid correlation and I only want to know when it's warm enough ti press on or if there's a sudden significant change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Peter,Are you running the Raceline DS...? we had some new plates made up to replace the one housing the finger gauze filter and had these made thicker and tapped to recieve the temp sender, if there's interest we could see about making a few up..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR400D Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Well, Neil, I have the DS system fitted by CC back in 2015 and still sold by them. Is that the raceline? The finger filter is held in place by a small aluminium plug with an O ring. Is that what you mean? If so, yes I'd be interested in a replacement with a sensor tapping This one: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 thats the Raceline one, with the tear drop shaped plate....I will see what I can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR400D Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 Yes, I'd be very interested Neil, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grant_7 Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Reply to #29I've not done a like-for-like measurement, so my estimate is 10-15C difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beagler Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 Cool Oil films cushion components that havnt expanded by not being up to temp. Viscosity is there to cater for engine temp range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan R Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 So having taken a look at my R500D, there appears not to be an oil cooler fitted at all. Does anyone know if this is correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR400D Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 I wouldn't have thought so Dan. What year is the car? Presumably dry sump? You'll be fine without it though, in all likelihood. I've just been out for a blat after putting the blanking plate back over the oil cooler. The oil was running at 65-70c at the tank, after cooling. Seems to run at that level whether the cooler's blanked off or not, though 70 is easily reached in reasonable ambient. It's quite cool today, 15c. Have you had the car since new? Maybe the previous owner took it off, if not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan R Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Its a 2012 dry sump R500D. There is no oil cooler on there, but i cant remember off the top of my head what the running oil temps were. Ive not had it since new so perhaps it has been removed somewhere along the way, although it had only done 2600 miles when i got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerobod - near CYYC Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 For just road use I don't think the oil cooler is needed. For track use it is likely necessary, my bulk oil temp in the dry sump tank reaches over 80C on my R400D with oil cooler, corresponding to about 120C at the hottest point the oil is at before reaching the cooler and tank. I also run a lower water temperature on my car compared with standard, keeping it between 85 and 90C (fan on set to 90C, off set to 85C), so may well run a slightly cooler engine than others with the standard fan control settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR400D Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 I would agree with James. My R400 runs at 80 in the tank on track, water 80-85. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Heseltine Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Before I start poking about the drysump tank on my 2021 420R can anyone confirm whether the boss on the lower right hand side (as face the car from the front) is tapped ready for a temperature sender. Its rather difficult to tell without getting a camera down there. There is no plug sticking out, but could it have a short plug inserted with an allen key socket.I am thinking of blocking of the oil cooler (for the road) but would like to be able to monitor the oil temp. At the present I do not want to go down the route of oil/water intercoolers, thermostatic valves etc.Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CtrMint Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Can't you use the threaded port on the bottom of the oil tank for a sensor? That's what I was planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Heseltine Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Thats what I am hoping. I wanted to confirm that this port is actually tapped. I am struggling to see it well enough at the moment. As there is not a plug sticking out I wanted to check if the plug is deep in th port and what size allen key is needed to remove it.Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR400D Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 That boss certainly used to be tapped ready for a sensor, in fact my car was delivered with a sensor already fitted but serving the sole purpose of blocking up the hole. Using a 3 pole switch and small changes in the sensor wiring I now flick between oil and water temperature on the water temperature gauge. Remember you only get the temperature after cooling in the tank, which is fine for spotting variations from normal. If you want peak oil temperature you need to put the sensor in the sump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Heseltine Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 Scott,That's what I did on my K series 1600, had switch on dash to switch between oil and water temp.Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CtrMint Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 if it's of any help I can confirm it's threaded on my tank, which is a late 2018 420R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Heseltine Posted October 5, 2021 Share Posted October 5, 2021 In that case I would like to think that mine should be. I'll have to see if can get an allen key to locate in the hidden plug. I would guess its going to be around 6mm.Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Heseltine Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Whilst the car was in for its 6000 mile service (done in 6 1/2months) i had Oakmere fit the oil temp sender whilst the dry sump tank was empty.I have now wired this up to a on-off-on switch hidden under the dash and can now switch from oil to water temperatures. Having just been out and done around 10 miles the car has only got to around 45 degrees. Yesterday it may have been slightly warmer weather as had oil up to 50 degrees.I think I need to block as much of the oil rad as I can. How have others done this. I am think of gettig some plasticard and cuttingto shape to fit around the fan housing. This might cover around 1/3 of the radiator.Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_Arundel Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Modine is great as it works both ways, warms cold oil, cools hot oil and, adds lightness compared to a heavy cooler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_Arundel Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Modine is great as it works both ways, warms cold oil, cools hot oil and, adds lightness compared to a heavy cooler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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