JWM brakes

[p.mole1]

Has anyone got these fitted? (Jack Webb Motorsport) They seem OK and are a direct copy of the Caterham kit. They look a bit Chinese! however they fitted ok although the discs look a bit poor and have a small amount of run-out 0.10mm. I noticed the pad locating pins did not have any safety clips so I drilled a 2mm hole and fitted some R clips, although after checking the Caterham calipers don't have any safety pins. 

I'm probably not going to get a chance to test them till after the winter

 

[Wrightpayne]

Canley Classics (Triumph specialist) also sell a kit.

Ian

[p.mole1]

I've never been happy with the standard brakes, they have no feel and the pedal pressure required was unreal and I have driven other non servo-ed cars. You could just about lock the front brakes but it felt like the brake pedal was about to bend.

[p.mole1]

Hi Ian, looks like the same caliper

[TomB]

Does the JWM small print say they have no liability for these and they should not be used on the road, like they do on their suspension parts? I’d rather buy from Canley or Caterham if I’m honest. 

[p.mole1]

I don't know! I'd better check. I can't find anything that states it shouldn't be used on the road.

[p.mole1]

The rose joint camber kit is for display only! but it does not mention the brake kit. The calipers seem exactly same as the the Cranley Classics. Before I do any track days I will replace the discs.

[ScottR400D]

I think most of the JWM stuff carries a ‘not warranted if you’re going to use it’ warning! 

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[timb2117]

Hiya disclaimers aside, yes I've got them on my car and yes I have tracked them and yes I've used them on road, there is a separate lengthy thread on here about my fitting and pad choice etc.

The pad pins I looked at twice too, they have a friction fit design which is a bit of  a leap of faith but if you look at what the pins actually do then all seems good.

On track they were reliable but I am now trying to fix bias issues (which in all honesty were present pre fitting and I have possibly excascerbated)

My feeling is that they have oodles more stopping power/ heat dissipation than I can currently use as the system is rather rear biased, I have kept the ferodo 2500 supplied pads in  the Jack Webbs, my rear now has the 3000's and literally right now I am putting in a flow valve to the rear so again I can get the Jacks to do more work, then I think I will be braking later harder and working the car better (on track that is)

[timb2117]

Just found my post top of page 3 techtalk.

[Golf Juliet Tango]

the Purchaser takes, selects and purchases any items "as is" and "with all faults"

I'm sure normal UK consumer law still applies.

[elie boone]

Why replace the disc ? if the run out is not in the bell you could have them resurfaced.

[Tazio]

JWM are the same as the Canley ones.

[p.mole1]

Thanks everyone, the discs look a bit cheap, I don't generally use cheap brake parts! Better quality discs tend to have much better machining. I noticed the discs have heavy spots, probably not going to be a problem unless it causes vibration.

I did have a run out problem when I purchased the car, it turned out to be hubs, I purchased new ones from James Whiting which cured the problem, they have less than 0.02mm run out. It shows that JWM don't have much faith in their products! although that could just be the usual legal stuff to cover their backs from people fitting stuff with any idea of what they are doing.

I notice the caterham  discs are £169 each! does anyone know which vehicle they sourced from?

[aerobod - near CYYC]

From my research, the Caterham disks for the 4-pot calipers are AP specific, not used on any other vehicle as an OEM part. Does anyone have any better insight on this?

[SLR No.77]

Buy cheap buy twice.

[Billy.Whizz]

£169. Not a lot of money if it may save your life. And as #16 says why buy cheap twice, that's good advice.

[TomB]

They might be expensive when compared to the standard disc, but realistically you’re problabaly only ever going to buy them once. Given the lightweight car and low mileages, I’m pretty sure they’d last years and years. I recall a supplier (was it Meteor Motorsport maybe) sold the disc and bell separately so you could replace the disc should they wear out. 

[elie boone]

I can dig out the codes for the Hi-Spec rotors with allloy bell, first time it  cast the same as the Caterham disc but once you have the bell a disc is about 85 gbp

[simon_h]

Caterham vented discs are sourced from a caterham I’m afraid. It’s their ones or the ones you have. Canley used to sell discs separately but caterham forced them to stop. Must mean they are the same discs and caterham didn’t want to be undercut. Jwm probably are the same too. I imagine the calipers are also ap without caterham branding. 

[TomB]

How does it work then?  If I wanted to make a batch for my hypothetical company, would I just place an order with AP and ask to make X number unbranded kits of the caliper and disc, place a deposit and sign a contract?  Do they own the IP on the calliper?  Or are they a copy of the AP calliper and disc by a third party? Are JWM / Canley genuine AP just without the Caterham branding?     

[simon_h]

I guess if you want some calipers and call ap they are bound to use something from an existing design as the basis. Small vehicle manufactures can’t generally afford to pay for all the design, toiling, testing etc so they agree the part manufacturer can sell the part changed slightly and usually not for the same vehicle. The canley ones are going to end up looking like caterham ones by the fact they are all based around triumph mounting and hub designs at some point in the past. If you look at the current caterham ally 2 pots they look pretty much identical to lotus Elise front 2 pots. There will be differences but the base casting is probably the same

[Guy Lowe]

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[Golf Juliet Tango]

Worth saying Guy.

And there is more history too.

[Guy Lowe]

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