Leadership Team Shortshift Posted July 22, 2020 Leadership Team Share Posted July 22, 2020 And don't forget my other suggestion, Mark, which was to try Luke Stevens at Team Leos Motorsport.Those prices are truly shocking!James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrightpayne Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 In another new thread they are touting for business (via 21jigsaw) to make throttle bodies at £1075 a pair. Doesn't make sense as they have multiple moving parts and there are two of them. Your suspension part is one piece no moving parts. Also, they seem happy to do some business direct but other items MUST go through Caterham.As it is their component which has failed you'd think they would be looking to replace as a good will gesture.All leaves a bit of a bad taste!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elie boone Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 I wonder if the dampers had rose joints would it put less strain on the damper support ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkTheGoose Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 OK, the final bolt on the 'good' side is not coming out without MIG welding a nut to it, so I'm giving up on that for now.Cut a neat little slot and put in my impact driver bit. Can't keep it in using a socket wrench or t-bar. However, it is in well enough that it doesn't slip with my Makita 18v impact driver (so that's some significant force - especially when assistant was tugging on mole grips and trying to move the clevis relative to the upright at the same time!). It's been soaked in repeated doses of plus-gas for 4 days and I've heated the aluminum upright with a plumbers blow torch, so heat and penetrating oil are not doing it.Given it won't come out and is therefore still re-assemble-able (is that a word?), I'm giving up on that for now. I can't afford to damage a second one, now I know that they're £675 each! Once I get the other side fixed, I'll take it to a professional to have the allen bolt removed and a new one put in.My new Plan A is to try to talk Caterham/Titan into robbing me the £675, but doing it NOW rather than in 2 months. CC told me that they are still making between 12-20 CSR-485s for the European market a year - therefore they must have the parts in production stock, even if they don't have them in spares stock... I can't believe that Titan make a new damper clevis each time CC get an order for a new car from Switzerland! My reasoning for not trying to get a replacement part made (apart from I can't get the good one off) is I'm now getting all anxious about it being made wrong. There is no way that the big pin that goes through the wishbone is coming out without destroying the existing part. Getting the dimensions exact is clearly important for suspension geometry and I'm sure Titan don't just get them anodised because it looks pretty ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrightpayne Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 At that price for 1 part I'd be inclined to order a complete assembly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Good luck, an unenviable position you're in. Stuck between CC and Titan, and all you want to do is get your car fixed. I hope you can get it sorted soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkTheGoose Posted July 23, 2020 Author Share Posted July 23, 2020 Ian - I did say that to CC yesterday, but they cautioned me (& you couldn't make this up), the last person to order a whole (not in stock, subject to long lead time) race upright at £1,300 did so 2 years ago and it's still on the CC system on back-order!!!When I asked how that could be, they said, "the person that ordered it hasn't chased us up, so we haven't chased up Titan. I suspect that they had one made instead" ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR400D Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 If it wasn’t so bad it would be funny.......Never mind there’ll be a whole new pointless version of the whole car again, soon, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bricol Posted July 23, 2020 Share Posted July 23, 2020 Pretty simple part. Not that much to get wrong - most designers do tend to work to sensible dimensions, so its usually pretty easy to see their intent when you start measuring.Anodising would be for increased corrosion resistance - form a thicker oxide layer than naturally occurs, and make it look pretty for those who care. I've done it for show machines or to add perceived value so finance and managers think its a premium part :) And then knock it off the drawing for production items.Draw me a picture of it, slap some measurements on it so I can model it, and I'll see what I can get one made for. If it comes out sensibly priced, we can finesse the dimensions to actual values - if you get that other one off, I might even be able to slide it into one of the CMM and get some ridiculously over the top measurements :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leadership Team Shortshift Posted July 23, 2020 Leadership Team Share Posted July 23, 2020 I would imagine that the failed one will be sufficient for first-pass (or even more accurate scanning/digitising) purposes? James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkTheGoose Posted July 24, 2020 Author Share Posted July 24, 2020 Bricol - I've had a go at drawing it. Clearly, to make it it would need some more dimensions (e.g. the profiles of the curves and the actually details of the holes through the damper mounting parts, which are a bit more complex than a 13mm hole), but there's probably enough here to get a price ...The original full size image is HERE, there's a Adobe PDF HERE & a dimensionally accurate PowerPoint HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bricol Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Not sure I need to do another drawing from that ;)I'll bang one together and get it out for quote with our suppliers - might be a week or so before I get anything back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel B Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 This is a heart warming thread. People talk about The Power of Blatchat being a thing of the past, but here it is in rude health! I hope you get it sorted Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brown Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Probably cost little more to get two made as most cost will be programming and set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkTheGoose Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 Bricol - please stand down, looks like I'm sorted (Yippee!). To be fair, I wish that I'd prioritised my approach differently two weeks ago, when James first suggested contacting CSR Race Teams. It turns out that for racing CSR's the part failing where mine has is relatively common. Anyway, as a consequence, Luke Stevens of Team Leos keeps the damper clevis in stock - he's had them remanufactured from a better quality material. He has 7 on the shelf and will sell me one for £120. I think it's arriving Wednesday... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leadership Team Shortshift Posted July 27, 2020 Leadership Team Share Posted July 27, 2020 Result! Well done - even though you were a bit slow on the uptake!! James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrightpayne Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 What a storming result! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Perfect!!!hope it is 7075. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brown Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Interested, as CSR owner, as don't recall ever hearing about one breaking. Anyone else ever heard of that on a road going CSR? Should we be checking/lubricating them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bricol Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Good news - and good price! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ. Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Having followed this thread, and been shocked by some of the suppliers attitudes, I'm glad you have got a decent outcome And well done Bricol for your offers, this is what makes a great club!Duncan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkTheGoose Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 Thought I'd share this. Luke @ Leos Motorsport wanted to demonstrate how strong his new, subtly redesigned damper clevis are, so he sent me these two pictures of a car that had had a minor scrape ... which was sufficient to tear off the wheel, rear wheel-arch, lower wishbone, driveshaft, etc... . Damper clevis undamaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkTheGoose Posted July 28, 2020 Author Share Posted July 28, 2020 Great news (for me). Went back in the garage. Used a lot more heat. Both sides now dismantled. Seemed especially important as Luke's part is slightly different and I want to keep things symmetrical.Offending allen bolt in foreground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrightpayne Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Great thread this - I know not many CSRs Vs std chassis but very interesting challenge, fantastic support from Team Leos and looks like its on the mend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 Excellent - way to recovery!! Spares in the post or is the car going to Team Leos for the fix? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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