Tazio Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Hmmm.Had one of those days, I've try fitted my new VX engine today and come up against two problems ( the original chassis was a 2002 Academy car, replaced in 2010 by a new Arch one), the issues are as follows.1. The chassis mounted engine mounts, specifically the nearside one, needs to be moved, it seems that I was wrong in thinking that the chassis mounts were always in the same position irrespective of engine type. Bugger2. The Pace Dry Sump Pump Pulley fouls the cruciform, why?, have there been subtle changes to the triangulation and location of the cruciform on differing chassis types?.The solution to Problem 1, is to take it to Arch and have the mount positions moved, as for problem 2...?Anyone have any pictures of their Pace Pump Pulley and its relationship with the cruciform, and any running clearance it has with it?Any help would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavic82 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Alan,interesting issue with the mounts. Racking my brains on that. Certainly x flow and Vx were the same, trying to think if k was different. But I guess it must be.which crusiform ate you referring to? I assume the lower one? The diagonal to the lower longitudinal chassis tube?i can drop over tomorrow if you want another pair of eyes. Will try to dig out some pics. guyFound a bunch of pics, on way to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted December 20, 2014 Author Share Posted December 20, 2014 Guy,Yes it's the offside lower rear if that makes sense, if you come over tomorrow the morning would be fine, as we are out family visiting in the afternoon, bell/text me. Pics would be good.Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavic82 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Alan,pics ca on there way via a file transfer site due to size.does the pace pump bolt between the RH mount and the block, if not do you have the 10mm or so spacers in place?if a pair of eyes would be useful I am happy to drop over. Will drop you a text.Cheers Guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mavic82 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Paul,what at starter motor are you using? Is it more powerful/lighter than a OE Bosch geared starter?thanksGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Gibb Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Recommended by Dave K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted December 20, 2014 Author Share Posted December 20, 2014 Paul.Thanks for those. The relationship between the cruciform and the pump do look the same, though if I try and lower the block to allow the offside mount to fix in the chassis, the pulley fouls the cruciform. Do you know what pulley size you have?Secondly, the picture which included the remote filter housing, do you have any details of the brass adapter which carries what I presume is the low oil presseure warning light?. The ones ( yes plural) Think provided are just too contrived and prone to failure/leaks.Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Gibb Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 I think I bought the adapter from Think and the sender from Stack, but I will dig out the invoices tomorrow Alan.Good to here from you and good luck with the new car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 Paul,Thanks for that, the help and sentiments are much appreciated. Thinking about it, as the relationships of the components are similar to yours then it can only be pulley size, or the position the height the pump is mounted.As far as pulley size is concerned..., I don't know, but I do know that the top of the pump is 6 cms below the block casting which forms the offside engine mount , do you happen to know what the measurement is on yours?Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Flatters Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Hi Alan, here is a clip of my installation. Yes, the dry sump pulley is very close to the cruciform and flies probably just 5mm above!!How far out are the holes for the rubber engine mount on the n/s chassis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 The nearside engine mounts are a matter of inches out, the K series mount is behind the diagonal the Vx ones in front. Looking at your picture the pump seems higher than mine....I really need a picture of other peoples front mount... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Gibb Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Not sure if this helps? I can't get out to take any measurements today but as Steve says the clearance is tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Flatters Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Hi Alan, try this shot for the pump location, relative to the other engine bits....Just for clarification, would you like me to measure the distance from the chassis upright in front to the engine mount (the one that the rear half of the wishbones bolt to) to the centre of the rubber mount (where the big bold goes through)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 These are of my pump mount, it seems clear from the images of others the pump mounting is far too low.What the solution is I'm not sure.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 Harry,YHMAlan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F355GTS Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Alan The mounts are not only different between K and VX but the diagonal needs to be moved as well, Bruce will i'm sure be able to sort it, he's doing mine at the moment as the Duratec uses K series mount position and mine only had VX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Flatters Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Do you mean upright diagonal (between the 2 main chassis side rails) or the cruciform, Mark? If it's the upright, that could be tricky with the skin on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tazio Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 There's enough space in front of the diagonal on mine to get the new mounts in, either way I'm at Arch tomorrow on another errand so I'll talk it through with Bruce and book it in. The oil pump is another matter as the existing ( incorrect ) mount is an integral part of the pump assembly, so the solution isn't obvious at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molecular--Bob Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Is it possible to fit the pump mount plate upside down in the pump? Not sure as i have not seen one of these apart, but if it can be fitted either way it might lead to the pump sitting lower on the engine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F355GTS Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 Yes the upright diagonal. Thinking about it they may not need to move it going the other way ie K to VX where as mine is VX to K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Deslandes Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 AlanThese might give you an idea of positionPaulhttp://www.fastgrandad.co.uk/documents/general%20underside.JPGhttp://www.fastgrandad.co.uk/documents/rear%20bracket%20general.JPG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tazio Posted December 21, 2014 Author Share Posted December 21, 2014 Thanks everyone, much appreciate all the comments and photos, its clear the mount on the pump needs replacing, the mechanics of doing so are daunting as I believe it means the whole pump needs to be taken apart to get the correct mount in...still its all doable. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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