Gentlemen, please. Roger's post was out of character. He has appologised and removed the post. Christian: I think that there are a couple of "Trolls" who lurk on here. They should stop. Roger is not one of them. Can we move on now and discuss watches, coffee makers, PDF's, planes, secret desires, the government, Top Gear, internet scams, the opposition, the NHS, 3D printing, airfix, robots, reptiles, books, films, old gags, new gags (I'm thinking UKIP) OR perhaps we could find time to pass comment on cars...?