Griff Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Dave - It's a VHPD with throttle bodies presently running short trumpets. I'll have to have a closer look at an R300 to compare clearances. Culd be interested in a bulk buy of the Pipercross at that price - I assume this excludes a backing plate? It's not pink, it's medium red violet...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted March 1, 2006 Author Share Posted March 1, 2006 wow thats a keen price franky *thumbup* best start another thread and test fit one first here is C7 TOP Powered by Special K, Tweeked by this lunatic here South Wales AO Edited by - Dave Jackson on 1 Mar 2006 10:48:08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Durrant Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Frankyknuckles I would be interested and it probably is better to start a new thread Mark D Comp Sec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Franky, Very interested..... 1-Could you clarify if this will fit a K / Jenvey set up on std injectors? 2-Having not seen on in the fleah I assume the integral filter is the panel type hence the restriction on internal depth - could this be removed and replaced by a cone filter in order to fit longer trumpets ? I'm sure there are a few more Jenvey's runners thinking the same at the moment Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted March 1, 2006 Author Share Posted March 1, 2006 The integral filter is a cone inserted into the 100mm inlet . I imagine trumpet length is determined by the internal depth of the airbox @ 100mm . Maximum trumpet length is therefore in the order of 60mm ish ?. here is C7 TOP Powered by Special K, Tweeked by this lunatic here South Wales AO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankyknuckles Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 new bulk buy post here please read it and then register your interest on the new thread. www.R300.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Dave, If your going down the roller route are your selling your current Jenvey compatible airbox ? If so I could be interested Neil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris__ Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Thought I'd post this here to stop cluttering the Bulk Buy thread. Hiya, I've done some investigating with Piper. Blank PX600 baseplate part no is C6006. I have KV6 TB's too, seems like a solution to Sforshaw's problem on the other thread and anyone else with non-standard fittings on their TB's. A machine shop could sort the correct fitting for you. You could measure your TB centres between 2 and 3 inlets apparently, but it seems unlikely they'll supply one ready made to your specific size. I will have a better look at my current backplate tonight, but I think the trumpets etc can be taken off and attached to a new baseplate no problem fingers crossed 😬 Piper's no has changed from that link on the BB page btw Franky - it's now 01604 707750 Edited by - Chris__ on 1 Mar 2006 12:52:17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris__ Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 Hello swan-neck TBers. I've had a butchers, sent an email to Pipercross and will see what they get back to me with tomorrow. If you want to see what you think, I've taken some photos tonight: here here here here Looking at it, I think you could drill some strategic holes as necessary, get some bits cut out and place it over the above current plate and it would work fine. Thoughts anyone? Cheers, Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leadership Team SLR No.77 Posted March 2, 2006 Leadership Team Share Posted March 2, 2006 Maybe you're right Chris in that it would be better to retain the old backplate complete, and cut a sizeable hole in a new C6006 plate, to then be bonded/bolted/rivetted to the orignal plate. IIRC there may be issues using the original trumpets if the plate is not also retained? Stu. Raising teenagers is like nailing jelly to a tree 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leadership Team SLR No.77 Posted March 2, 2006 Leadership Team Share Posted March 2, 2006 Or ......... Cut all the relavent holes and also a central hole in the C6006 to clear the throttle mechanism, then sandwich the new plate between the original backplate and the TBS. This would give a tidier finish and enclose all the old kit inside the new airbox. It would maybe be necessary to trim a little from the outside edge of the plate though to fit inside the airbox? Stu Raising teenagers is like nailing jelly to a tree 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Oliver Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 Pipercross have confirmed that the C6100 airbox is still 78mm deep, suitable for rampipes up to 45mm. All that changes is that a different filter holder (75mm or 100mm) is attatched to the same basic airbox. Worth checking if you were hoping for a deeper box. Pukka Tossa Edited by - Jamie Oliver on 2 Mar 2006 09:30:15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leadership Team SLR No.77 Posted March 2, 2006 Leadership Team Share Posted March 2, 2006 Dave:I went to the Hisoric motorsport show on Sunday and Pipercross had on the stand an airbox suitable for the R3/4/500 with 100mm internal depth , making it suitable for the Caterham fitment . Previously the box has only been available in 70mm depth Jamie:Pipercross have confirmed that the C6100 airbox is still 78mm deep, suitable for rampipes up to 45mm. All that changes is that a different filter holder (75mm or 100mm) is attatched to the same basic airbox. Worth checking if you were hoping for a deeper box maybe we need to clarify things a little Stu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankyknuckles Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 see bulk buy thread for update www.R300.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted March 2, 2006 Author Share Posted March 2, 2006 Yes - I just spoke to Pipercross technical and they also confirmed that the air box is only avaiable in 78mm depth - this must have been a misunderstanding of mine on the stand at the show with the airbox on display,in that they meant it has a 100mm inlet and not the 100mm internal depth ☹️ . Sorry However ......... 78mm is still fine on the R3/4/500 45mm long trumpets and DVA has a box out soon for longer trumpts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris__ Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 To update the impatient like me, (noise limit to get under on 18th March might be pushing it though!)...No email from Pipercross as yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petrolhead Posted March 2, 2006 Share Posted March 2, 2006 The man I spoke to said that the integral filter is rated for at least 200bhp. Will this be too restrictive on an R500? Dave I thought you said that the depth of this box may be restrictive but can't find the thread where you said it NE7Club Web Site R5 no 65 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankyknuckles Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Sales at Pipercross tell me that the airfilter is rated at 230BHP. www.R300.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted March 3, 2006 Author Share Posted March 3, 2006 The depth of the box may create reflective pulses that actually boost the power at certain points of the rev range - as seen with my airbox last year . OR the airbox may actually reduce power at certain points of the rev range - as seen this year following some modifications to the inlet length etc . The conclusion I now hold is that each and every engine setup has a potentially different reaction to an airbox . The only way to determine the effect is to do a back to back test on the dyno or rollers. I now hold 2 ecu maps - one for "full noise and power" and the other for airbox . For occasional track use at quiet venues there wont be an issue - the airbox is needed so it has to be used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris__ Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 Still no email from PiperX sadly, I will ring them tomorrow and see what their advice is, swan neck induction people Cheers, Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil.cavanagh Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 Just for peoples interest I bought one of these Pipercross airboxes from Burton Power last week. It fits perfectly onto the R500 rollerbarrels, with no particular stress or strain on it. However the airbox isn't that deep so there can't be much clearance between the end of the (standard) trumpets and the airbox wall. My car needs a few more days work on it before I can start it so I'll have to wait a while to see how the airbox works. I'll then be off for a rolling road session. I'll hoping to map with the airbox in situ, see what power that gives, and then have a run with a normal airfilter to see if the airbox is causing any loss/gain of power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj Posted April 16, 2007 Share Posted April 16, 2007 As mentioned a few times before... I've got this box on my car. I've glued and bolted (only the paranoid survive) the backplate to the top of trumpets in order to gain maximum clearance. Works a treat and reduces noise a fair bit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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