Jonathan T Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I've got a pair of race type wingstays 76101 & 76102 supplied with my kit (13" appollo wheels) that don't apper to fit.Is it me or are these the wrong parts? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted October 25, 2015 Member Share Posted October 25, 2015 The top picture in the blog keeps changing... does that happen automatically? How can I get it to stay still long enough to have a proper look?Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elie boone Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 JK, click on the pic to freeze it. It,s not really clear by how much it fails to fit. You could try to redress the horizontal bracket with a rubber mallet to make it fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted October 25, 2015 Member Share Posted October 25, 2015 Thanks, elie. That works.Mr Angry: I can't remember that stage of the build. What else is fixing the stays? Can you zoom out and show us?Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan T Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 It's the ball joint of the top wish bone - the balljoint passes through the top of the vertical link then through the bracket of the wing stay.There's quite a nice shot of one here. I'd have to cause some pretty major damage to mine to get it to bend by the required amount.Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan T Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 It's out by about 4mm - if you look at the last photo you can see where the bracket rests on the vertical link when the hole is centered over the thread.Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted October 25, 2015 Member Share Posted October 25, 2015 Is this the same as your Guide?5.5.2) Wide trackThe upright is located into the spherical joint on the lower wishbone. Prior to locating the upright, a spacer located in the polythene bag marked ‘front suspension’) must be inserted onto the bottom of the upright. The upright is secured using the special turned down nyloc nut supplied. Tighten the special nyloc nut to 55 Nm.The cycle wingstay locates on the upright. Remove and discard the 1/2” UNF nyloc nut and plain washer fitted to the inner end of the stub axle. Place cycle wingstay over the stub axle and secure using the 1/2” UNF nyloc provided. Do not tighten.NOTEIf uprated front brake callipers have been specified ensure that the brake pads are installed before fitting the cycle wingstays.Pass the top wishbone ball-joint down through the top of the upright and through the wingstay. To fully engage the tapers of the wishbone and ball-joint, fit the M14 plain nut (6) from the fastener pack, apply pressure to the top of the ball-joint and tighten the plain nut. Once the ball-joint is locked in place remove the plain nut and replace it with the nyloc supplied on the ball-joint. Tighten the nyloc nut to 54 Nm.Tighten the inner stub axle nut to 82 Nm and ensure that the upright turns freely on the wishbones.Remove and retain the nyloc nut from the track rod end. Remove and discard the hard plastic boot protector from the track rod end taper and pass the tapered shaft down through the steering arm on the upright, secure with the nyloc nut. Tighten nyloc nut to 34 Nm.Your front suspension should now resemble that shown in Figure 34. (IVA covers not shown) Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan T Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 That looks to be the same - I'm working from the Feb 2015 instructions. No where have I read about any difficulty fitting these - they should just fit. As both the LHS & RHS show the same problem, it looks to me like the wrong parts. I've only removed the nyloc and washer and just performed a bench fit on both sides as I'm checking everything now due to the issue with the lower LHS wishbone.Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted October 25, 2015 Member Share Posted October 25, 2015 I don't understand the bit in the first paragraph about the spacer: is it relevant?What happens if you attach the stay at the axle end first?Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan T Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 The spacer is for the lower part of the vertical link. I cant get it on to the axle end as the bracket is fouled by the vertical link - it should fit underneath it.Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mankee Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 The spacer at the bottom of the upright is irrelevant for fitting the wingstays. It's for widetracking and aids in ground clearance and/or suspension travel, I can't remember exactly which.The wingstay doesn't look a million miles out. I'd go with Elie's suggestion of gentle persuasion to get the horizontal part of the stay to fit under the upright. If at first blue language doesn't work, get the hammers and mallets out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan T Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 That would distort the angle of the stays - there's quite a lot of movement required. Enlarging the hole would be the better option. If this isn't a common problem then I'm assuming that something is wrong somewhere.Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubbster Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 That looks like a different design of front upright to me, the brake caliper mounting is different. I suspect that's the issue - a new part being supplied that is incompatible. I bet the advised solution will be to bodge it somehow please don't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim 123 Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 Is it worth measuring a couple of things on the wing stays and axles thenposting these here so that the dimensions can be compared with other members cars?From the photos, it looks to me like it could be either the distance from wings stay horizontal bracket uppermost surface to lower fixing point aperture centre line that is out. Or, could it be the corresponding dimensions on your axles that have been incorrectly machined on the underside of the top ball joint fixings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubbster Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I still think it is due to the different uprights. I have some wingstays off the car so here are some measurements you can compare yours with. From top edge of stub axle hole to top edge of horizontal plate is 91mm and from centre of stub axle hole to underside of horizontal plate is 97mm. How do yours compare? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubbster Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 It's also a new type of caliper, different to the usual upgraded one, I wonder why the change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan T Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 I started to measure it, but got distracted - I had one measurement that I think was 91mm from the outside edge of the hub screw to the machined face.. I'm emailing Caterham and will report back.Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubbster Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 If it is 91mm then it sounds like my wingstay would fit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan T Posted October 25, 2015 Author Share Posted October 25, 2015 It's 91mm from the top of the hub thread to the machined surface and 95mm from the bracket to the centre of the hole on the wing stay. I'll update the blog shortly.Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ. Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 It would be very hard to bend the windstay as it has a reinforcing bend along the edge to make it rigid.If you have to bodge it, I would definitely do as you say and enlarge the hole for the stub axle as long as you will still be able to get the nut on. As others have said, this used to be a very straightforward part of the build. They appear to have changed the uprights, but haven't modified the stays Duncan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan T Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Well, the original question was: Wingstays - can't get mine to fit - Is it me?And the answer is.............Yes! Just give them a firm shove, ingore the protest from their coating - they do go on.Oh well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted October 26, 2015 Member Share Posted October 26, 2015 Well done.Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grubbster Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Crowbar and mallet, 2 essential tools the assembly guide fails to mention ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan T Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 I also need to get some new expleatives as I've used up a whole boxful so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted October 27, 2015 Member Share Posted October 27, 2015 Standard advice: read up on the next section in advance so you can preorder the right ones?JonathanPS: In a James Roberston Justice voice: "Where's the bleeding tee?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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