Englishmaninwales Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Hmmm..Sounds interesting! Got this email today:To Longton Club Competitors For 2015 we are considering whether to run the Saturday Anglesey National layout as a 2 lapper, similar to that used by other clubs (MGCC/L&CCC; Chester MC). Can you please vote whether you would prefer the 1 lapper or a 2 lapper, noting that the 2 lapper may result in less overall laps.Please vote by emailing Craig Powers on cpowers@blueyonder.co.uk by midnight Friday 14th Nov.If you Don’t Care one way or the other then still let me know by email. It all adds to the democratic process.This question relates ONLY to the Saturday. I will also be asking invited clubs and championships. Regards,Craig Powers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Durrant Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 MalcolmWe were asked for our views in the week and thinking of you I asked if they could shorten it to 3/4 lap so you could finish with the car in one piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hat Posted November 7, 2014 Share Posted November 7, 2014 Harsh. But fair Perhaps the Curborough "8" could be a changed to a "6" as well to prevent any mishaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englishmaninwales Posted November 7, 2014 Author Share Posted November 7, 2014 But as bonus for not completing the lap, Mark, I had the pleasure of looking at the remains of your front suspension and a bit of Longcross tree for a whole year Alan, I ve got some more trophies up for sale soon if you're interested, and as you are such a nice person I can do you mates rates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaterBram Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Personnally i'd like us to stick with the single lapper, From a championship perspective changing it would remove this event from the number of events which decide the overall championship for at least a few years until the records stabilize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Willoughby Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 The votes I've received from our championship competitors are exactly 50/50. It will be interesting to see what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Miller 7 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Shame.......... less runs, trash your tyres and the finishing order is highly unlikely to change. The biggest problem is that if it's a two lapper, then the National is deleted from the counting events for the championship so even less people will be turning up. Why would anyone want to make it a two lapper ???Oh well........ I'm afraid it will end up a class one and two event only, in the future..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Willoughby Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 I love the Anglesey weekend and was sorry to miss it this year. I understand Stuart's point, but the opportunity to get more track time and the challenge of keeping it together over twice the distance is very attractive to me. Most of us have really long journeys to get to Anglesey, so the chance of spending more time on track sounds great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Miller 7 Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Like I said - list 1a's = great, 1b's - not so good. Pretty unlikely to be quick on Sunday having trashed one's tyres the day before.It's all a little academic now but it's the deletion from the counting events that is the issue. We will get less runs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon.Rogers Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 I opted for a double lapper. I enjoy longer runs. Its all very subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikecocker Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Shame.......... less runs, trash your tyres and the finishing order is highly unlikely to change. The biggest problem is that if it's a two lapper, then the National is deleted from the counting events for the championship so even less people will be turning up. Why would anyone want to make it a two lapper ??? Haven't replied to Matthew yet, although the double lap was my initial thought until I read Stuart's post. Why is it that a two lapper would disallow it from the championship and if that was the case nobody would go, would they? I think I'm missing something here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon.Rogers Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Mike.Stuart only means it would not be able to count toward the overall champion not the class champs.We don't allow a particular track or layout to count toward this until there have been 3 dry events to set representative records. No easy record to beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leg Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I have done the double lapper at HSA events - I hated it at first, because I was used to the single lapper, but have grown to enjoy it, as the entry to the first bend is 'interesting' at speed. The second lap is fine on Kumhos Stu! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaterBram Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 How does the event run time wise for a fullish field in the double lapper, Would it be tight getting the two timed runs in with no chance for a third timed run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Miller 7 Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I held myself back and didn't comment on Kumho versus Avon Lyn ...... but as you mentioned it, yes it is an issue on the Avon. The tyres have "gone" by the final hairpin on the international circuit (that's 88 seconds).I'm just surprised at the vote considering prior double lap experience. The running is much slower and the risk of multiple cars getting baulked or re-ran is much higher. From what I have heard, Blyton 2 lap wasn't popular and the Goodwood (non-club) 2 lap was a disaster and they've gone back to 1 lap. Llandow is okay as it's so short. The Silverstone 2 lap we did was a hopeless - 1st practice was almost midday and it wasn't quite dark before we finished. I believe we would get less track time on the 2 lap configuration but I may be proved wrong. Saying that, I got 3 re-runs at Silverstone as I was Baulked / stopped so much so I ended up with I think, 7 or 8 2 lap runs in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leg Posted November 10, 2014 Share Posted November 10, 2014 I have enjoyed both the single and double at Anglesey - probably prefer the single, but the double isnt the end of the world as they send cars out in batches, so it doesnt feel slow. Coming down to that first corner at straight line speed is quite a surprise though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Willoughby Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 The results are in and have been reported to LDMC.The votes were as follows:Single lap - 14Double lap - 13Thanks to everybody who responded to my email Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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