davidvoas73 Posted March 11, 2009 Share Posted March 11, 2009 Am considerng an external oil tank, anyone with a Brise Kidney shaped tank able to share the purchase price? airborn tweaked supersport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskossie Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Just ordered my Brise "kidney" d/s tank with custom features (internal heater boss, drain plug, specific port layout and sizing etc.) from Mr. Brise today. His quote to me was £295 plus shipping. I consider this a fair price, in part because this seems to be the only available tank designed to fit in that particular location, particularly on Arch chassis. Alaskossie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidvoas73 Posted March 12, 2009 Author Share Posted March 12, 2009 Ta very much airborn tweaked supersport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebub Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 May be an idea to consider lagging prior to fitment. I had very low oil temps using the tank in its naked form. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 .......or about £120 for aa easi clean Pace that fits in a a 'short footwell' location. Too young to be old ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Mupferit Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Interesting comment about the oil temperature when using this tank. Mine generally ran between 5-10 deg lower than the coolant temperature under normal driving but when pressing on, the oil temp would be about the same as the coolant and at sustained high revs, just slightly higher. That all seemed ok to me. Brent (aka Arfur Nayo) Lotus Elise Probably the best hair dryer in the world! 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebub Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Ditto above after I'd lagged the tank. ISTR the lagging was worth between 10 to 15 deg C of extra temperature depending on load & speed D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Tin Man Posted March 12, 2009 Area Representative Share Posted March 12, 2009 I lagged mine because the oil was difficult to get upto temperature during the winter months. Alaskossie Is the internal heater boss for electrically heating the oil? Regards John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskossie Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Thanks for the advice on the Brise d/s "kidney" tank. I did not choose an EasiClean tank in front of a chopped passenger footwell because the Duratec exhaust primaries are exiting close by there (LHD chassis). Also, the intake and outlet piping from the dry sump pump would be unnecessarily long, and would have to pass under or over the bell housing to reach a tank mounted on the passenger footwell. With the Brise, the outlet and inlet are where I want them, with very short runs to the dry sump. Thanks for the advice on lagging (insulating) the Brise tank to maintain operating temps. I had considered adding a jacket of cooling fins, but apparently the tank being in the airstream behind the fan may give enough (too much?) cooling, as it is... The tank heater I am installing is an internal heating element to plug into the mains, to bring the oil up to operating temp before a blat.... requires planning ahead somewhat.... Alaskossie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beelzebub Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Alaskossie. Brise will put the penetrations in/out of the tank where you need them. A couple of things to consider. 1. A drain plug. I did'nt think of this & have to vacuum extract the oil. 2. More importantly, my tank was supplied with the male fittings welded to the tank ☹️ A major flaw IMO. If any of the tapered sealing faces or threads get damaged then the whole tank is rendered unusable & would need repairing. Personally my preference would have been for tapped female penetrations welded into the tank (NPT) & the NPT to JIC here fittings then to be screwed into to the tapped bosses. If for any reason the JIC fittings need changing they can be removed & replaced. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskossie Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Dave, I have specified a drain plug in the bottom of my Brise.. Alaskossie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 I'm not sure if I like the idea of placing a further 7Kg + over the front axle ? The duratec is facing a weight disadvantage as it is, the tank will double the weight problem . [awaits comments about pies etc ......] here is C7 TOP Taffia joint AO with Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidvoas73 Posted March 13, 2009 Author Share Posted March 13, 2009 Any thoughts on the optimum solution for a k series (don't say a duratec )? airborne tweaked supersport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Use the Pace easi clean tank in a short footwell, it fits a treat Too young to be old ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 as above here is C7 TOP Taffia joint AO with Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaskossie Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 All interesting points -- but the slight forward weight disadvantage of the Brise pales in comparison to the logistics of trying to plumb a d/s tank on a LHD car, where the d/s ports are on the driver's side and any shortened footwell is on the passenger side.... and there is no room to run oil lines over the bell housing to reach a d/s tank on the footwell.... Perhaps the oil lines should go forward, around the front of the engine, then under (or over) the primaries to reach the d/s tank.....? Alaskossie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Not sure which DS system your using, but I run Pace with twin return scavange hose onot tein unions on the DS tank and run all 4 of the lines around the front, however you can run the feed hose (tank to pump) under the back of the bellhousing round to the pump. Pace do offer a Y conection to conect to to scavenge pumps to enable the use of 1 return hose. blatmail me if you need more info and details as to which conections I used etc Too young to be old ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidvoas73 Posted March 13, 2009 Author Share Posted March 13, 2009 Had a quick peek at their website, looks like the 8.25" 7 litre capacity version is suitable. Can't be 🙆🏻'ed to go and lift the bonnet 😳 to look at what is involved in shortening the footwell ....... anyone want to illumuninate me? airborne tweaked supersport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Simon Posted March 14, 2009 Share Posted March 14, 2009 Can't be asked to go and lift the bonnet to look at what is involved in shortening the footwell ....... anyone want to illumuninate me? In a nutshell; You have to do a headstand in the passenger foot well with a right angle drill in hand. Drill the rivets out and the extended well slips out through the engine bay. Fold up a simple box of 18ga. alloy to the same rectangular dimensions and rivet back in place. I used some blind hole transfer punches like thesewith a rubber mallet to mark out the chassis rivet holes in the new pan. Drill the transfered holes then locate the pan with a half dozen or so Clecos and rivet away. It's much easier done with the engine removed, but can be accomplished in situ. There will probably be a couple of tiny gaps here and there, but a little RTV glorp will seal things up. I took my old foot well to a local P&H contractor that had a shear and box & pan brake. The craftsman made easy work of folding up the new well. The chap had some excellent skills as the new foot well fit perfectly first try. -Bob 94 HPC VX Evo III Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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