Piers7 Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 I have a 1.6 Superlight with the AP 4 pot calipers and standard pads on the front.I also have the upgraded master cylinder. I went down to the 'Ring last weekend and had a great time, although i wasn't that impressed with the braking of my car. The pedal is very firm and needs a lot of pressure to make them work, however the ultimate stopping power didn't really impress me. I didn't even lock the brakes once! Is this a case of me just not pressing hard enough or would it be worth upgrading the front pads/disks? There seems to be plenty of meat on the current pads and disks. What are the best one's to go for? The car is mainly used on the road.Any advice much appreciated. Piers Superlight #115 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Durrant Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Pagid RS15's Mark D Comp Sec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piers7 Posted May 16, 2007 Author Share Posted May 16, 2007 Are they really worth the money Mark? Superlight #115 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie Normuss Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Piers I have the AP's on mine and changed to Mintex 1144 a couple of months back, they were about £55 from Performance Braking I think. They've transformed the stopping power of the car enormously and I would recommend them. I don't know how well they'd cope on a track as I only use mine on the road...........so far VX HPC - Loud and proud here Watch out, whatever hits the fan will not be distributed evenly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piers7 Posted May 16, 2007 Author Share Posted May 16, 2007 Thanks very much Ric, i may give the Mintex pads a go in that case. The Pagid's are about £130 a set! As the car is mainly used on the road i'm not sure the Pagid's are really worthwhile. Superlight #115 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S47zz Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 I postd on jjust this subject about a month back, eventually buying the Mintex 1144's can thoughroughly recommend them *thumbup* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Walker Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 I am havin problems with Pagid RS15`s. For years I have run with RS14 all round with uprated front and rear brakes. I recently fitted RS15`s on the front and find them great on track but the road they are not worked hard enough and glaze up resulting in very little intial bite from a pad that was specified as a high torque pad. For me they are a step too far and I shall go back to the RS14`s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casbar Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Fitted RS14's to the rears and RS15's to the front last year. They have been superb on the track, I don't use the car much on the road, so haven't noticed any issues with stopping power - or perhaps I just don't use the brakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil_K Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 What pads are put on the car out of the factory (4pot AP's)? Given mine's done just 5k miles, I suspect they're the original (7 year old) pads still? Also, I think at least one of the discs is very slightly warped - although not badly - so may look to change pads and discs this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheds Moderator Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 I've voiced my opinions before on brakes. On a car as light as a 7 the standard front brakes are more than adequate with correct pad selection. You just have to remember that there is no servo and so you have to operate them with a firm hand (or foot!) The rears *may* overheat but the fronts will take loads of abuse as there is plenty of air around them. With this in mind the upgrade MC plus 4 pots and if you really want vented discs should be *scarily* effective. My car has Triumph calipers/solid discs and I can stand it on its nose under braking if I want to. You can lock the wheels easily as well but to be honest there is so much feel that you don't. In any case by the time you approach the limit you are losing speed so fast your eyes are out on stalks. I've been out in Angus and Tessa's car and that's the same, it's the first time as a passenger I have ended up suspended from the harnesses under braking . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Wong1697456877 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Use RS14's all round. Worth the money in my opinion - don't forget, they're really very durable. 1144's seem very good value though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Do a search and you will see that previously I supported Pagids now I've moved onto Ferrodildo DS3000 MONSTER braking !!!!!!!! better than RS14 / Pagid blues which were way better than Mintex 1144's *thumbup* *thumbup* and only £85 delivered here is C7 TOP Taffia Area Rep Edited by - Dave Jackson on 17 May 2007 10:45:16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiddy1 Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Dave where did you get them from ? and do they squaek much, the squeaking from my 1144s is really annoying Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Stewart Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 I've been using DS3000 for a while now and agree with Dave J. They don't squeal at all and you get the added bonus of sparks in the dark Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S47zz Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Did you fit the 1144's properly?? Mine don't squeak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevefoster Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Ferrodo race pads are excellent Hants (north) / Berkshire club here Area meeting pics here My Racing here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piers7 Posted May 17, 2007 Author Share Posted May 17, 2007 Thanks for all the advice chaps Re the Ferodo DS3000, there's a message on their website that says 'WARNING: DS3000 is NOT suitable for road use' Are they exaggerating here Dave? Superlight #115 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 [annoying fecking dog head] Ohhhhh yesss they are fine on the road and offer more initial bite then Pagid or 1444 I havent had them squealing but I have only done a few hundred miles with them and My pagids didnt squeal either . here is C7 TOP Taffia Area Rep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Mill Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 'WARNING: DS3000 is NOT suitable for road use' I wonder what an insurance loss adjuster (AKA @r$eh0£e) would make of that in the case of a claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Simon Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 DS3000s all around on Caterham/AP calipers. All other pads I've tried resembled cheese at one point or another in their heat cycle. The initial bite is quite pronounced, yet easy to regulate. There is a difference between ice cold pads and properly warmed ones. It''s a very tiny difference, nothing like the old DS11 metallics. FWIW...My front DS3000s do squeal quite a bit though. -Bob 94 HPC VX Evo III Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piers7 Posted May 18, 2007 Author Share Posted May 18, 2007 Cheers for all the advice chaps 😬 Jon/Bob/Dave - Where did you get your DS3000's from? Superlight #115 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Simon Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 At my longitude, Essex Parts Services here keeps Ferodo in stock. They seem to be a bit negotiable in price if you outfit all four corners. Good people to work with. -Bob 94 HPC VX Evo III Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Stewart Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Circuit Supplies here They were £91 delivered last April. Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 I'll never ever fit a set of ferrodo's to my car ever again. They destryed themsleves by welding onto the disc at the rear following a short road drive - and the handbrake was not applied at any time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevefoster Posted May 18, 2007 Share Posted May 18, 2007 Mav - sounds like you must have had a binding caliper, can't think of another reason. No friction, no heat. If De Dion and the Nylon lock nuts adjusters are wound up too tight, the handbrake can be 'on' with out it being on... if you get my drift. Hants (north) / Berkshire club here Area meeting pics here My Racing here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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