Member Jonathan Kay Posted January 28, 2020 Member Share Posted January 28, 2020 What colour are the other two? Possibly a main colour and a trace.Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMBO Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 Both Green, 1 White tracer and 1 Red tracer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted January 28, 2020 Member Share Posted January 28, 2020 Green/ White is traditionally "Direction indicator switch to right-hand flasher lamps" and Green/ Red "Direction indicator switch to left-hand flasher lamps".Some Sevens use a single telltale lamp for both indicators (with another weird circuit) and some one lamp for each side.JonathanPS: "Common colour codes for British Vehicle Wiring", not completely standardised but Caterham mostly stick to these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted January 28, 2020 Member Share Posted January 28, 2020 And, if possible, that Brown/Yellow wire in the loom.Ah... I meant at the engine end of the loom...Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMBO Posted January 28, 2020 Author Share Posted January 28, 2020 Will look tomorrow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revilla Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I'm afraid I'm a bit in the dark on this one too. I'm not sure what kind of alternator that is, what is normally fitted to a Duratec and even whether that has the normal alternator for a Duratec. It's a bit odd having black wires on the main terminals as black is usually reserved for earths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted January 29, 2020 Member Share Posted January 29, 2020 Thanks, Andrew.It's a bit odd having black wires on the main terminals as black is usually reserved for earths.My working explanation for that is:... it was Raceline's development car originally!And I'm also working on the assumption that that's when they didn't reconnect the wire to the lamp.Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjw Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 The alternator connector looks like #2 or #3, and the existing connections suggest #3. That would seem to confirm that the alternator will charge ok with or without a warning light connected to the unused terminal.It would be worth locating the 14 pin plug/socket that connects to the main vehicle loom. It may be the case that the brown/yellow doesn't make it to the other side...Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Your alt certainly isn't a standard Duratec one (not surprising given the "development" nature of the car).A bit of googling suggests that it's a NipponDenso, as fitted to the Daihatsu Charade:...although the cover on yours seems to have been knocked about a bit! Re wiring, there may be some clues here (four-connector, Type 2).JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjw Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 From John's link:- That's confused things...connections completely different to the Brise tag... Clearly not as standardised as I thought!Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted January 29, 2020 Member Share Posted January 29, 2020 #34: I'd work on that basis.Have a good look around the terminal of interest to see if you can find an identifying letter.If there isn't one I'd probably make a test lead to measure the voltage to earth at the terminal of interest with the ignition on and the engine off and then with it running. Or you could make a replica warning light circuit. Or you could use the existing one.It would be worth locating the 14 pin plug/socket that connects to the main vehicle loom. It may be the case that the brown/yellow doesn't make it to the other side...Yes. I'd thought of starting at the distal end to see if it's been cut and wrapped but that might be more efficient.Clearly not as standardised as I thought!Not even the identifying letters are standardised! :-)Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjw Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 "That's confused things...connections completely different to the Brise tag... Clearly not as standardised as I thought!"However, just noticed the text following the diagram:-"This did not work on my alternator, the ignition light did not work but it was outputting charge to the battery, it may work on your alternator."!!!I think I'd trust the Brise tag version...Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMBO Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 Wow...thank you gents, you've been busy and I've now learnt even more I'll have a look for the 14 pin connector and investigate the spare ouput on the alternator asap! Will update...Cheers! Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted January 30, 2020 Member Share Posted January 30, 2020 I don't think it's been said explicitly: the terminal for the warning light is often smaller than the others.Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMBO Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 I've had a look today and the grey connector block at the bottom of the pic has the 2 black wires from the alternator going into it corresponding with a Brown/Yellow wire and White wire on the opposite side of the connector which has 7 pins in total.The odd thing is that another Black wire opposite a Blue/Green wire was clipped out of the way by the coil pack...but it's the same size wire, connectors and heatshrink so I presume was done at the same time as the other 2, but disconnected (it's long enough to reach the alternator...! Had another look at the alternator, but can't se any marks near the terminals.Thanks NickOh, not got round to testing the voltage on those alternator connections yet, but I will... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted January 30, 2020 Member Share Posted January 30, 2020 Can you list the colours of all of the wires on the loom side of that connector?Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMBO Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 White/Red *Brown/YellowGreen/BlueBlackWhite/BlackBlue/GreyYellow/Green *White/BrownWhiteTracer colour second and the asterix indicates a thicker wire than all the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted January 30, 2020 Member Share Posted January 30, 2020 Let's all try and find that on the factory diagrams... but I was expecting 7... ?Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted January 30, 2020 Member Share Posted January 30, 2020 Does it look like this?That Slate is probably your Grey.Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMBO Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 It does and as you I was expecting 7. The Blue/Grey and White/Brown don't have anything on the other side, so just 7 wires connected... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjw Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Can you determine which black wire goes to which alternator terminal?If the black wire from white goes to 'IG' as in the Brise diagram (types 2 and 3), and the one from brown/yellow goes to the middle terminal 'S' (type 2) or 'D' (type 3) then it seems the 'brown/yellow' black wire is fitted incorrectly.Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted January 30, 2020 Member Share Posted January 30, 2020 That's off a post-2001 K! I can email the diagram if you send me a Private Message with your address.Duratec engine, it was Raceline's development car originally!Do you know any more about the history of the chassis/ car?Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted January 30, 2020 Member Share Posted January 30, 2020 It's pretty similar on a 420 engine harness:Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMBO Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 The black wires are as you have stated. The Blue/Green isn't connected to the alternator, but has the wire that isn't connected!IG = WhiteS or D = Brown/YellowBlue/Green = not connectedS = Battery SenseIG = Ignition switched supply, which I can trace back to the switch...L = Warning light, again I can look at the back of the tacho...D = Don't use!Writing it as above, to help me make sense of it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMBO Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 It's a 2001 Dedion kit which Raceline built and used to presumably work out how to fit the Duratec engine etc. It was SVA'd late 2003 and then went into private ownership. Does K mean K series engine? If so, that was I think the engine in use at the time which was supplied with most kits...Email just received thanks! Not looked yet, but a 2001 build manual could be handy please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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