MattC Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 ☹️ Hit a rock or catseye last night and terminally holed the Zetec sump. Gutted. ☹️ I’m not sure if there’s any damage to the engine internals, I came straight off the gas but couldn’t pull in straight away, horrible clanking noises were coming from the engine and then it conked out. The AA came out and recovered the car home, there was still a little oil in the sump so I’m keeping my fingers crossed….. First things first, I need a new sump pan. Does anyone have any experience of the Raceline Zetec dry sump kit? Does this give any more ground clearance? Cheers Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Thompson Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Terrible luck Matt. Still - here we go YET again....dampers or spring rates to blame, fellas? 😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dobuy Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 I completely munted my Titan dry sump pan, to the point that I cracked the block as well. Quick session with the local Indian TIG welder fixed it up a treat, including pressing the bend in the sump pan straight. It might be very repairable, other wise contact Raceline for a replacement. When I did mine, it made some clanking noises just before shutdown, this was the Con-Rod bolts smacking one of the baffle plate retention screws. As the Titan sump pan, like yours was designed by Pete McKewan, he normally only has a couple of mm clearance, so any smack will push the screws into contact with the conrod bolts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S47zz Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Try Retro ford - they'll make the sump to your spec, and for less than £200notes. *thumbup* 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Mupferit Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 The Raceline sump is a real work of art and is superbly well baffled as well as being immensely strong. I would forget about cut 'n' shut sumps and get the proper job from Raceline. The sump doesn't hang any lower than the bell housing so is as high as it can practicably be. If your motor is knackered (hopefully not) Raceline are currently doing great deals on brand new crated ST170 Zetec black tops. Brent 2.3 DURATEC SV Reassuringly Expensive R 417.39 😬 Edited by - Brent Chiswick on 28 Aug 2007 13:34:43 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattC Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 Of course I can't do anythong until Tuesday which is really frustrating! Brent, do you know if Raceline offer a fitting service for the new engines? Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Mupferit Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 Not usually as Peter is pretty busy on other things but it is a really easy job to do and I'm sure you will find local 7'ers willing to help. Brent 2.3 DURATEC SV Reassuringly Expensive R 417.39 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S47zz Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Last I heard Steel was stronger than ALuminium, and easy to fix/weld if you happen to puncture it, oh Retro ford steel sump is also lighter than Racelines well overpriced aly effort 😬 You pays your money and takes your pick > oh and by the way Retro ford sump gives about 40mm extra clearance over racelines, in other words thats 40mm higher than the bottom of bellhousing *thumbup* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Mupferit Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 in other words thats 40mm higher than the bottom of the bellhousing So you simply take out the flywheel and gearbox instead of the sump then? I clouted the sump on my old Zetec engined 7 several times and the worst it suffered was the corner of one fin breaking off at the front. You have to remember, also, that the bottom of the Raceline sump is fitted with well designed baffles with a series of interlinked chambers. The design is so good that many race cars run with this instead of a dry sump. The old adage.........'you get what you pay for'......... more often than not holds true in my experience! Brent 2.3 DURATEC SV Reassuringly Expensive R 417.39 😬 Edited by - Brent Chiswick on 28 Aug 2007 13:18:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Mupferit Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Something else to bear in mind if the sump genuinely is 40mm higher than Racelines is that the crankshaft will almost certainly be thrashing around in the oil thus causing foaming and higher oil temperatures than is desirable. Brent 2.3 DURATEC SV Reassuringly Expensive R 417.39 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S47zz Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 The 40 mm comes in useful coz the sump is higher and when front suspension moves up and down [at least mine does] you have more clearance at front of engine, for sure the bellhousing is a problem which no-one can overcome, but all damaged sumps I've seen have been struck at the front nose, this 40mm extra at the front of the sump is always welcome *thumbup* Your nice £600 Raceline sump is gonna get just as dirty and be just as liable to get damaged as a £200 Retro ford item As I said before - you pays your money and takes your pick *wavey* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Mupferit Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Whatever. Brent 2.3 DURATEC SV Reassuringly Expensive R 417.39 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie Normuss Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I'm with Brent on this one VX HPC - Loud and proud here Watch out, whatever hits the fan will not be distributed evenly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atinod Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 but all damaged sumps I've seen have been struck at the front nose, this 40mm extra at the front of the sump is always welcome But as you say, the problem is just moved a few feet back..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaseb Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Sorry to hear of your woes and this is a bit blatant but I've just put a Dunnell sump up for sale if its of any use to you?! Open to offers, prefereably cash rather than favours though 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattC Posted August 28, 2007 Author Share Posted August 28, 2007 Jase Could be. What's the main difference between the Dunnell and Raceline sumps? Do you know the height?? Why are you selling, have you upgraded? Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaseb Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 I could have a measure of both as that's what I ended up with due to time constraints, are you using a silver top or black top as the back would require a pickup pipe mod back at Dunnell which is why I ended up going raceline. My silvertop expired and I got a Raceline Blacktop hence new sump. From memory they're about the same size and perform the same, the Raceline one just looks prettier if that's important to you... The Dunnell one is a cut'n'shut job to coin a phrase though but I've done some serious track time using it as well as thousands of road miles and have had absolutely no problems. The design has been used for years on race cars too and takes a full 5l of oil. How low is your car though if you smacked the sump in the first place, I've not had that issue... fingers crossed! Could be a cheap quick fix Edited by - JaseB on 28 Aug 2007 17:26:02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattC Posted August 28, 2007 Author Share Posted August 28, 2007 Hi Jase Pretty sure it's a silver-top (old one!) I'm going to double check that the damage can't be repaired first, should know tomorrow What spec is your new engine? Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaseb Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Annoyingly standard... ☹️ The ford dealer supplied me the wrong head gasket which trashed my silvertop with huge compression (luckily didn't damage the head just the pistons) after I had a head skim and got some nice cams from raceline, it's taken me a fair few squids to get back where I started. Worth checking your head gasket if you ever need a new one the black top one fits but is a third of the thickness!! It ran for a while with about 180 then one of the pistons went so back to square one! The only thing I'm going to do to this one is get throttle bods at some point and leave the insides well alone 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Brother Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 The Raceline sump is a great bit of kit. Well designed with really efficient internal baffles. It also looks "pretty" 😬 I can vouch for it's strength. I managed to end up "parked" on a kerb with both front wheels off the ground. The car was left sitting on the sump I broke an engine mounting rubber and scuffed the under side of the sump. No leaks - no drama (apart from getting the car back onto it's front wheels ) It's also a lot less than £600! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Formston Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Hi Matt I have an 1,800 Zetec engine in my caterham, and I have a raceline sump fitted, and as other people have said its a work of art all baffled and good ground clearance and full five litre capacity not like some of these cut down Mondao sumps go for a Raceline its neally as good as the dry sump Regards Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Mupferit Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 There we are, 3 glowing reports of the Raceline sump from people who have actually used the thing. Jeez, I'm becoming such a zealot for this subject, next thing you know I'll be growing a beard and wearing a bobble hat! Luckily I'm not that sad however. Brent 2.3 DURATEC SV Reassuringly Expensive R 417.39 😬 Edited by - Brent Chiswick on 31 Aug 2007 08:18:37 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaseb Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 Just to add another glowing report for the Raceline sump, just tainted by the fact that the Dunnell does the job just as well but ain't as pretty.... Oh and I'm trying to sell one Really cheap too Just measured sumps, both 150mm in case you're interested... Edited by - JaseB on 29 Aug 2007 21:36:38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattC Posted August 30, 2007 Author Share Posted August 30, 2007 New Raceline sump just turned up, sorry Jase! It IS beautifully machined..... Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaseb Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 No worries, you definitely made a good purchase, it is a good bit of kit, I saw mine for the first time when I was measuring it... 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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