david nelson Posted September 18, 2004 Share Posted September 18, 2004 If you have a1.8 k x-power and a 52TB has been supplied/fitted from new by the factory it should be fine as it is not a mod. if you have a 1.6K you can do what you want, including to to class 4 😬 david Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Richard Price Posted September 18, 2004 Area Representative Share Posted September 18, 2004 I have a 52mm tb fitted to my 1.6 SS K. Does that now mean I would be in Class 4? No, you wouldn't be put in class 4/5. *arrowright*52mm TB are NOT ALLOWED *arrowright*Programable ECUs are NOT ALLOWED *arrowright*Porting to Head is NOT ALLOWED? Only applies to 1800's. 1600's are OK as long as they have a plenum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mav Posted September 18, 2004 Share Posted September 18, 2004 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted September 18, 2004 Share Posted September 18, 2004 never mind all this ecu and hottle vody stuff 😬 Can I run a supercharger in Class 5 🤔 , it will only be a little supercharger running a few psi . I mean it would hardly blow your air bed up never mind a K series .It will only produce a "little" extra power . You considered opinion on this would be smashing super great Dave C7 TOPhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Molloy Posted September 18, 2004 Share Posted September 18, 2004 There was a nicely built Ariel Atom at Combe the other day with an integrated roll cage and a supercharged K-Series. Looked like an Eaton M45 blower as fitted to the Merc SLK. Owner claimed 290bhp, but it wasn't lapping any faster than my Blackbird so not totally convincing. Could make an interesting alternative to the BEC onslaught! 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy. N Posted September 18, 2004 Share Posted September 18, 2004 Dave J - were you on the pop early this evening 😬 😬 BB - Thanks for your clarification - that's good enough for me and it makes things very clear. Having "competed" in class 4 last year, I don't want to go back there with 140bhp. I can't be arsed to argue about the 52mm TB issue in relation to 1.8 K's, because I doubt it makes that much difference anyway. I've done OK in class 2 this year, but i've had to work bloody hard for it against a 1.6k and an X-flow. The class seems to work well (at least from my perspective), so I hope it's not going to be spoilt by anyone who's intent on winning a hollow victory with silly mods that belong elsewhere. Andy Nicholls C7 AJN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Perry Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 😬 So will it be possible to build a faster 1600 with mods than an 1800 K with restricted Modifications ? Should perhaps BB or someone consult with Oily for professional opinion ? Thinking about a K for '05 .................. Edited by - Graham Perry on 19 Sep 2004 11:57:28 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 Yes , you can get 170 from an 1800K . So 160 ++ bhp should be fairly simple from a 1600 with ECU 56 mm throttle body , GrpN rally cams , a ported K16 head or simply use a VHPD casting . You basically build a Group N rally engine Now what about my blower C7 TOPhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver 21 Posted September 19, 2004 Author Share Posted September 19, 2004 Dave J You blow enough hot air without fitting anything extra to your car 😬 😬 😬 😬 😬 (only joking) In answer to the question, the phrase NO springs to mind Graham Competition Secretary 2004 Speed Championship - 9 events, 2005 Speed Championship - Watch this space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 ☹️ as I give the little blower one last dusting before he goes back in his box ..... gonna sulk with a can of stella now C7 TOPhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david nelson Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 Graham Yes a 1.6 modified is going to be quicker than a 1.8 140bhp BUT a X-flow with 190 BPH will be quicker than a 1.6 that has been modified. That life, just need to learn to drive. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECR Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Dave When the drink habit gets so bad that you have difficulty reading it's time to stop 😬 From Supp Regs Notes: Cars in classes 1 to 5 must run in a road legal condition (i.e. taxed, insured and MOT’d where applicable). Competitors are advised that they may be asked to provide documentary proof of this at an event Notes: Classes 1 to 5 must have normally aspirated engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Plato Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 I know the regs say no blowers Roger , I was hoping BB may grant a concession Edited by - Dave Jackson on 20 Sep 2004 13:45:40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Molloy Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 You might get away with an "oversized" throttle body or whatever, but an Eaton blower does create something of a "distinctive" noise. Everybody looks skyward for the Spitfire flypast! 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECR Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Its giving concessions that has got him into this mess ! 😬 Stop ganging up on him (he's only little....... 😬) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Graham - what you say is correct with the potential for 1600 k's but having asked the other 1600k owners in class 3 no one seems to be going down this route, the furthest people are planning are the exhaust, tb, ecu route which should give around 145 ish, but still possibly less torque than the 1800's so things should be quite equal and as David N Says it always amazes me that we want to restrict k seriers cars in class 2&3 yet are perfectly happy to have a set of rules that permit all steel xflow's with the potential for 190 bhp, and all steel lotus twinks with even more.... rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Richard Price Posted September 21, 2004 Area Representative Share Posted September 21, 2004 Rob, I agree with the above point. If someone chooses to enter in a quick XF, they have a significant advantage over most class 2/3 K's Looking at the number of class 2/3 entries, perhaps there is scope for another class or 2, where restricted K's are not competing against unrestricted XF's and Twinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christian.v Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 A class for Xflows on 1a tyres then, with 1b shod ones to class 3? 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 the main problem with having too many classes is that we may end up with more classes with only handful of cars, i think 6 classes is about right, however for the more popular events such as curbough we can have over 20 cars in anyone class I am not looking for other classes, just trying to keep the 'debate' representative I am all for keeping things as they are (inlcuding the clarification of this thread)... rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david nelson Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 I am happy with the rules as they are, but if we see more high powered Xflows or Lotus comes along then some action will need to be taken. I hope the responce will be to penalise the Xflow's rather than give a green light for the 1.6 and 1.8 K's to upgrade. I think we need to keep class 2 &3 so any member can come along and be compedative. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Robinson Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 In terms of the high performance X-flows we are only really talking about Dave M's car, as the rest of the top 5 in class 3 were all K's. As for next year, with Graham likely to change classes, that only leaves my car as the other X-flow and I was well shy of fastest times and its not looking like I will have the wedge to go Mcfarlane chasing with upgrades ☹️ Keep it as it was this year I reckon. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Steve - so you inquiring for a 'mate' then here that looks a fab car and excellent VFM rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver 21 Posted September 21, 2004 Author Share Posted September 21, 2004 So I'm changing Class next year, am I 🤔 🤔 🤔 *confused* *confused* Graham Competition Secretary 2004 Speed Championship - 9 events, 2005 Speed Championship - Watch this space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Robinson Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 Only V tentative enquiry. If he wants to sell right now then its no good to me, but if he can wait then I am tempted. I'm torn between the scream of a bike engine and the fun I have with you chaps in class 3. Graham - I said "likely" not definitely. I await the news with interest 😬 Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Perry Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 The crossflow issue in class 2/3 will solve itself with the passage of time as said last year . I have no real plans for next year but expect that I will only do a couple of events with my crossflow. There is an outside chance I may get someone to change my car from a crossflow to a K or another 16v engine, so I may do a couple more if that happens. Workload studying and family things are too time consuming to contemplate a serious season at the moment ☹️. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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