21jigsaw Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 The K series installation was designed with a shallow sump to fit under bonnet. The consequence being a low shallow volume of oil which was susceptible to aeration - tiny bubbles suspended in the oil. This was amplified buy the high lateral g forces generated by the cars. The aerated oil would circulate to the hydraulic tappets acting as a spring the valves bounce resulting in loss of control, the valves would touch the pistons bending them, eventually with a bending fatigue the valve heads would drop off resulting in total engine failure. The tiny bubbles suspended in the oil need to be burst or be purged . Air is removed / bubble burst if the oil hits a solid surface / object ie baffle, foam, block or sump. The sign off test devised by Caterham for a 1400 Supersport was 1st gear (5 speed box) max revs three figure of eights as fast as possible brake to a stop idle the engine and listen to see if the tappets rattled / aerated. The foam arrangement gave the required results. Further development mainly for track competition resulted in the Apollo tank, solid tappets, purple pump dry sump leading to much higher performance gold pump dry sump package. To run an Apollo with the increase in oil volume and the centrifugal purging of air from the system would probably negate the use of the foam. I have run the same foam for some 27k miles 13 years without issue. There have been failures of the foam leading to engine failure possibly due to :- 1) bad batch of foam material 2) fuel contamination 3)Oil compatibility / contamination 4) engine temperature etc. There is no clear reason as to the cause of failure of the foam. Hope this helps Dave 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skipper555 Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 So wouls a logical upgrade be the Apollo tank, removing the need for the foam, and the maintenance that goes with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomB Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 You need a dry sump. Like mine. 😜 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oilyhands Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 (edited) Just my two-penneth, My experience of many, many engines has shown that engines with no Apollo tank and wet sump show distress on the big end bearings to a greater or lesser degree in around 80% of cases, those with factory fitted Apollo tanks rarely show any issues (less than 5% of cases) so the Apollo would seem a good halfway house towards the merits of a dry sump, mitigating against the effects of oil surge but nor eradicating the cause. I have seen 20+ engines seriously compromised by blocked pickups due to disintegrated sump foam. I have been advocating the removal of sump foam and drilling of the sump gasket since around 1999 and all the engines built or rebuilt here will have that modification undertaken. I would recommend that you ditch the foam, drill the gasket and if you can, fit an Apollo tank. Oily Edited April 23 by oilyhands 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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