CtrMint Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Guys,I'm doing an oil change on my 420R, mainly for the experience, as it's not really due at 2000miles.I've bought the oil filter I believe is required from CC's website, https://caterhamparts.co.uk/oil-system/4885-oil-filter-vauxhall-cosworth-2-3-duratec.html upon opening it and comparing, it's slightly smaller than the one on the car. The filter I was sent is a FRAM PH2874. I've searched the forum and there is plenty of discussion about sourcing filters from Halfords etc, but none that I can see which mentions this particular filter.Does anyone know if this is the correct one? I have emailed CC, but given the car is on axle stands at present I thought BC might be quicker.Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikecocker Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 That's the correct filter.Next time, buy a few on ebay or the like for about half that price.My experience is that they can be very tight to undo, good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CtrMint Posted June 26, 2019 Author Share Posted June 26, 2019 Thanks Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CtrMint Posted June 26, 2019 Author Share Posted June 26, 2019 I've had another look at the filter on the car, its a WH77, and found this thread on BC https://www.lotus7.club/forum/techtalk/duratec-360-oil-filer which contains a link to a comparison site, it too confirms its correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisC Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 If you believe YouTube and the oil filter comparisons, Fram isn’t the best quality oil filter on the market. Was the WH77 the original oil filter? If it was I think would source one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CtrMint Posted June 26, 2019 Author Share Posted June 26, 2019 Yes the original was a WH77, why the hell are CC shipping them if they are crap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM25T Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Cheap to source ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CtrMint Posted June 26, 2019 Author Share Posted June 26, 2019 Ffs, pence saved I suspect, and a false economy.anyone know who is the fastest to ship a replacement WH77 regardless of cost? I don’t want to miss the amazing weather, so want the car back on the road ASAP, if I’m not going to fit the FRAM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisC Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 I believe “crap” might be a harsh word, I believe they will perform perfectly adequately providing service schedules are observed, which doesn’t look like that’s going to be a problem for you ;-). I just believe better quality exists without a significant addition outlay. I would love to line up all the contenders, cut them open and make up my own mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisC Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Fit the FRAM for now and enjoy the weather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerobod - near CYYC Posted June 26, 2019 Share Posted June 26, 2019 Here is a cross reference list of oil filters that are suitable for the Duratec on the Caterham (Torque the filter to 15Nm):AC DELCO - X13 AGIP PETROLI - 143 AGRIA - 50249 AGRIA - 59754 ALCO FILTERS - SP898 APRILIA - 8560163 APRILIA - 82883R BOMAG - 5821159 BOSCH - H04 BOSCH - 451103018 BOSCH - P3141 BOSCH - 451103133 BOSCH - 9450732006 BOSCH - O222 BOSCH - 451103041 BOSCH - 451103141 BRIGGS & STRATTON - 492932 CAGIVA - 41152001A CHAMPION - C116 CHAMPION - C316 CHAMPION - C302 CITROEN - 1109-A1 CLEAN FILTERS - DO277 COOPERS - Z107 CROSLAND - 659 DONIT - 43.10.11 DUCATI - 4.115.2001A DUCATI - 0671.49.850 DUCATI (MOTO) - 41152001A DUCATI (MOTO) - 67149850 EUROREPAR - E149044 FAPOFIL - OR533 FARYMANN - 5410272 FBN - YO1.01476 FIAAM - FT4763 FILTRON - OP518 FISPA - FOE255 FLEETGUARD - LF3826 FORD - 5001156 FORD - 5013149 FORD - 5012037 FRAM - PH2874 GENERAL MOTORS - 7984550 GIESSE FILTRI - CLH405/1 GILERA - 321205 HAKO - 72-146 HATZ - 50302800823 HENGST - H11W01 HIFLOFILTRO - HF184 KNECHT-MAHLE - OC11 KS - 149-OS LAVERDA (MOTO) - 62001000025 LISTER-PETTER - 751.1287 LUBER-FINER - PH2814 M-FILTER - MH352 MANN+HUMMEL - W77 MANN+HUMMEL - MW77 MECAFILTER - ELH4090 MISFAT - Z118 MOBIL - M1-102 MOBIL - M1-102A MONARK - 30738018 MOTAQUIP - VFL177 MOTORCRAFT - EFL98 MOTORCRAFT - EFL098 PBR - BC1099 PIAGGIO - 82658R PIAGGIO - 82960R PIAGGIO - 834384 PIAGGIO - 825249 PIAGGIO - 82883R PIAGGIO - 830239 PURFLUX - LS169 PURFLUX - LS169B PUROLATOR - L17603 PUROLATOR - ML17603 RENAULT - 7700542526 RENAULT - 7700629215 RENAULT - 7701348108 RENAULT - 7700348108 RENAULT - 7700582212 RENAULT - 7701033837 ROTAX - 825700 RUGGERINI - 175.24 SDF PARTS - 009.5008.0 SINFA - 28131 R SOFIMA - S5100 SOPARIS (OLD REF.) - CV386 TAMIX - EH8 TARGA SERVICE - 50.032.283 TECALEMIT - FB5300 TECNECO - OL277 TECNOCAR - R15 TEHO FILTER - OK72 TJ - FB5300 UFI - 23-118-00 UNICO FILTER - LI759 UNIPART - GFE210 UNITEC - 71810 VM - 4.115.2001A VOLVO PENTA - 834337-8 VOLVO PENTA - 834337 WIPAC - CA104 WIX - 51335 WIX - 51348There are possible other filters, typically the Ford Focus 2.0L engine from 2003 to 2016 is the best commonly available cross-reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 Minder Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Just to add my own recent experience. Our car has a one-off custom dry sump oil tank, mounted to the left rear side of the engine (Duratec). The clearance between the oil filter and oil tank is extremely tight, to the extent that the replacement Mann W77 filter I initially bought to replace the existing Fram PH2874 would not fit as it was 4-5mm taller. Even getting the Fram out required unbolting the oil tank and moving it as far as possible from its secured position (maybe 8-10mm) and then applying a little leverage to open the gap another couple of mm. There is about 6.5mm of clearance when the Fram was installed and although close, no signs of any contact between filter and tank.It appears the Fram filter is no longer supplied by Caterham and none of their dealers or aftermarket specialists I called had any left in stock, nor the usual ECP/GSF and local motor factors. I spent several hours scouring the internet trying to find alternatives from James' list with similar height to the Fram but found lots of conflicting dimensions for the same items on different websites.I ended up buying 5 (!) filters from a marine chandlers advertised as Fram PH2874. On arrival it turns out one is a Bosch 0 451 103 141 (labeled as P3141 on the box), one was a Fram PH2874 and three were Coopers/Fiaam FT4763 (all these are included in James' list). All including the Bosch appear virtually physically identical (approx 55mm tall), apart from branding and markings. The Fram and Coopers/Fiaam are evidently part of the same Sogefi group.I fitted the Bosch and will keep the others as long term fall backs but maybe this info might be useful if anyone else has the same space constraint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Mann W77 is the smaller version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 Minder Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 It was the Mann W77 that I had bought but it is 4-5mm taller than the Fram. I would have had to remove the filter housing from the block to get the Mann fitted but I would then only have about 2mm clearance between filter and tank and I'd be concerned any chassis/engine movement would have brought them into contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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