jackb_ms Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Hi AllMy old starter motor is dead after nearly 20 years of being cooked by the exhaust it is not bad going.I have researched the subject and it seems there is three main possibilities:The Powerlite RAC430The WASP LMS430 Brise C890510PGRCost varies between £150 to £215 for the Brise.They all look very similar, with multi hole flanges etc.Thye question is which one is best?Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revilla Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 There have been numerous cases of the Brise unit causing electrical problems. I was involved in investigating one of these cases in detail. The starter was causing a deep negative voltage spike which caused the ECU to react as though the ignition had been turned off and recycle the IACV. In the course of my investigations I heard of quite a few similar cases where either the ECU or immobiliser played up. Sometimes the immobiliser would arm spontaneously when cranking. I've fitted a WOSP unit to a friend's car. It looked very well made and worked well with no issues. I've not had personal experience of the Powerlite but I think people are generally happy with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted April 4, 2016 Member Share Posted April 4, 2016 What's the mass of each?Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mankee Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 3.2kgs for the WOSP. I'm very pleased with mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackb_ms Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 A Wosp is on order with some other elecrical bit!Thank youJack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechanical Moz Posted April 4, 2016 Share Posted April 4, 2016 Just yesterday I replaced a Brise C890510PGR with a WOSP LMS430. Needn't have bothered, they are identical apart from the adaptor plate they use to attach to the engine. Even then the only difference is the WOSP one uses the Caterham spacer whereas the Brise does away with it. Pics to follow when I'm next on my laptop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Member Jonathan Kay Posted April 4, 2016 Member Share Posted April 4, 2016 Hmmm... a suggestion here that "the Powerlite and WOSP are essentially the same".Do we have enough accumulated experience to know if that transient problem with the Brise occurs with the others? Or are we going to wait until there's a suspicion and then apply the oscilloscope? Or move to presymptomatic diagnosis?Jonathan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechanical Moz Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Finally following up with the pictures of the Brise and WOSP starters. Spot the difference... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackb_ms Posted May 12, 2016 Author Share Posted May 12, 2016 Hello Mechanical MozDo you know if the adapter plate for the Brise would enable the coil to be fitted underneath the motor part of the starter? Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackb_ms Posted May 12, 2016 Author Share Posted May 12, 2016 Hello Mechanical MozDo you know if the adapter plate for the Brise would enable the coil to be fitted underneath the motor part of the starter? Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM25T Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Jack .... there is a Brise starter for the Caterham with multi position mounting holes .... so you can fit the solenoid under the body of the starter ..... away from the primaries on a k-series. A friend is fitting this one as we speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechanical Moz Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 Yes it does, that is how it is positioned in the pictures above. The solenoid ends up in line with the lower mounting bolt hole, that's as far round as it will go before it hits the block. As a result the lower mounting bolt needs to go through the adaptor plate before the motor is rotated, you can see this in the first picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackb_ms Posted May 13, 2016 Author Share Posted May 13, 2016 helloI have tried to rotate the WASP to have the solenoid under the body but it didn't workWould you still have the Brise adapter plate gathering dust in your garage?I would like to move the solenoid as far away as possible from the primaries.CheersJack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mechanical Moz Posted May 13, 2016 Share Posted May 13, 2016 I've refitted the Brise now but here is a picture of the WOSP with the spacer mounted to rotate the solenoid as far under the motor as I could get it. The Brise is just the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackb_ms Posted May 13, 2016 Author Share Posted May 13, 2016 Thanks for the pictureI will have a look at it at the weekendJack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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