Alan Bowler Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Most of the existing 1B tyres may become illegal for road use. However, manufacters will probably produce track day type tyres that are road legal in EU. (Are the new Toyo 888Rs and Avon ZZS designed to meet new EU standards?). Under the rules proposed, only list 1A could be used.If Avon/Kumho stop making super soft sprint tyres, then of course they can't be used. But the MSA should at least give specialist prod cars the choice of 1A or best-road-legal-available types in a revised List 1B.Just so long as those in classes 3,4,5,6 don't ask for class records to be reset, because a given 1B tyre is unavailable... as those in 1,2 have dealt quietly with the demise of RE720, Stunner, AD08 and some very long standing class records. Runs very fast and hides a long way away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon.Rogers Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 I think the records should be reset for a number of reasons - perhaps this winter will be the time once we know what will happen.Reasons - tyres, reference power has been clarrified in 2 and 3.Wipe the slate clean in all the classes other than 7. That means I will be the only one who can be measured against any records and therefore the only one eligible to win the overall champs Andy - Grip or similar softern isspecifically excluded in all classes.There are current 1B tyres that although not sprint compound meet the E mark rules. Hard Kumho's will meet these rules for example.The issue is that not enough information has been provided and the way the proposed new rules have been written leaves us with no option but to object.If the proposal was that all road going classes should be on e marked tyres I think we would all have difficulty arguing our case. But that is not what has been stated. The MSA is maintaining its "lists". Its being more restricitve than the EU regs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Durrant Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 The reason stated by the MSA for the change is: Nationwide harmonisation and cost for what is seen as the entry Category, no mention of EU regulations and E markings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comp Sec Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Now back from the hills and many thanks to Mark & Simon for taking on this issue in my internet absence.I have now sent an email to the MSA as an "official objection from the L7 Club" to this proposed regulation change and hope that they will listen. I am sure that there will be plenty other clubs that have similar views!Mark D is correct in his above post regarding the "reason" for change, in that there is no reference at all to E marking. That discussion is yet to come but we must win this battle first!Thanks also to everyone who sent in their objection, I will report back if I hear anything from the MSA.Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamV Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Regarding the post on Uphill Racers and without sounding too much like Victor Meldrew .... I don't believe it!http://www.uphillracers.com/showthread.php/tyres-road-going-classes-11277.html?t=11277 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Durrant Posted June 10, 2015 Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 I do not believe everything I read on forums and hope this is not the case as I would hope the MSA would be open and truthful about any reason for a proposed regulation change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 If I was a cynic, I would believe that the original reasoning was their original thinking, but due to the amount of feedback they have been given they are now saying something else, lets wrap it up as a safety issue so no one can complain. But Only a cynic would think that way...Especially as there is no logic to reducing grip = more safety...Rob*grumpy* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesG Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 It did make me smile (wryly) yesterday, queueing in the paddock at Barbon hillclimb, and watching as a scrutineer wandered around with the Blue Book open at List. 1b page, checking our tyres were on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesG Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 "Nationwide harmonisation and cost, for what is seen as the entry category" is the wording I believe the MSA has used as the reasoning behind this proposed change of ruling.Now then, the 'nationwide harmonisation' for our cars is kind of sorted, as I generally only see the road going classes on either Kumho V70A, or Avon ZZR or ACB10.As for cost; apart from accidental damage (flat spots incurred by brake lock-ups or DD tube failure), my tyres will last for 3 seasons, so I don't think that's expensive, or wasteful, compared to say gravel rally tyres. I do appreciate though, that heavier tin tops will wear soft compound tyres much quicker, but that shouldn't mean we should be penalised to keep their costs down?I would be happy to accept a nationwide ruling along the lines of; only tyres fitted as a vehicle manufacturer option (eg CR500) for road use, over an outright ban of List1b.As a footnote; my V70a's have both the 'E4' marking, and road legal wear markings on them, not to mention tread pattern to dissipate water, so how can they suddenly be judged illegal/not permissible/a racing tyre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OliW Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 The only sensible regulation is to allow E marked tyres across the roadgoing classes and to then allow championships to further regulate as they see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesG Posted June 15, 2015 Share Posted June 15, 2015 The odd thing is; the MSA actually state in the Blue Book, under the List 1b tyres heading, that 'only E-marked tyres are valid' ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamV Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Good news - I believe the proposal to restrict Roadgoing classes to List 1A tyres was rejected at last night's meeting. Over 100 people responded to the consultation process - with only one person in favour of the change.GrahamV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LesG Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 Coolio! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmar Posted June 17, 2015 Share Posted June 17, 2015 riduculous that it ever got to a fomal proposal given the weight of opposition...Surely the Speed commitee has to take a long hard look at themselves and ask how it got as far as it did.They should look at which interested party pushed this proposal through to the stage it was, plus the wording as originnally given? And then ask themselves if they are in touch with the people they are supposed to represent....Again if I was being a cynic you culd believe it to be a bernie esque diversion with regard FHR. So much outrage so as to get another slightly less contentious idea through...rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamV Posted June 18, 2015 Share Posted June 18, 2015 Latest e-mail I have seen on the subject - which gives an update on the expected way forward - Gentlemen You may have heard this from elsewhere but the Speed Events Committee considered the "ban List 1B" nonsense for about 30 seconds on Tuesday! When the agenda was issued it was: 1 for - 119 against. By the time of the meeting, the numbers against had not been counted accurately, but thought to be 130/140 against! This issue will now be referred back to the Sprint & Hillclimb sub committee to come up with "Plan B" For the moment MSA is in correspondence with the Tyre Committee Chairman to seek its authority to continue to accept "2015 list 1B" content into 2016. I understand, from 1 or 2 sources, that list 1B will not disappear wholesale (as currently appears to be the case) as some manufacturers are, it is suggested, anxious to add tyres to List 1B for 2016.GrahamV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comp Scorer Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 For Completness, we have recieved as part of the August Consultation email the following ;-While writing I would like to take the opportunity of updating you in regard to the previous proposals for the removal of List 1B tyres from the Road going classes. An Action is attached which clearly identifies that this proposal has been withdrawn. However please be aware that there is a Tyre Panel meeting next month, prior to the Sprint & Hill Climb Sub-Committee, when the manufacturers will be updating the MSA with the information which will then enable the MSA to clearly identify, which List 1B or not, can be retained.Speed Events Consultation 2015 06 12.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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