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my '95 Roger King 1760cc X flow is still going well and is competitive in sprints and hillclimbs locally but recently i've noticed that on the way home after a fast trip up the motorway, when i stop at the first set of lights and the engine drops to tickover, the oil pressure drops to near zero and there's an ominous knocking from the engine. if i increase the revs a shade it goes away and the oil pressure lifts a little but not enough to be reassuring. (can't remember the psi off hand, sorry). engine oil level is correct and of the recommended variety from caterham and is only about 2000 miles old.

 

is this a sign of something developing, like clapped out big ends or am i being paranoid?

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appreciate that, thanks Roger - gives my suspicions a finite direction and something to do over the winter. by the way, don't suppose you have a typical torque curve for this particular state of tune have you. it would be interesting to see what develops where.

thanks again.

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morning Roger,

 

reg: N384RRY

engine#: VR 01 10 259

date fitted: 23/11/01

owner then: Dave Gilbertson, Dorset

 

am i right in thinking that you don't work on these beasties any more? if so, do you know anybody this side of london who does and how much i'm likely to need from my piggy bank!

 

thanks in anticipation.

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That engine has a 244 camshaft and with the other work done I would expect peak torque somewhere between 4500rpm and 5000rpm. Obviously, I don't know what exhaust you're running on it these days so this is just an approximation.

 

To be honest, it's ten years since I last built a Crossflow and I don't really know who can be recommended these days. I should ask around for opinions from others who've had work done recently. Cost will depend on what is needed, but if you're lucky you'll just need new shells and probably a new oil pump - is it still wet sump?

 

But don't jump to the conclusion that this has to be bearings. That's a good way to miss something of importance.

 

It might pay you to drop the sump and have a look first. That might save a lot of bother later.

 

 

 

 

Edited by - Roger King on 22 Oct 2013 21:17:14

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Good news. I've just found the test sheet for the car. These are at the wheels figures, so less than flywheel figures. It is also the most pessimistic rolling road I ever used. There used to be another rolling road in the area where this would have shown well over 150bhp at the wheels! Although that would be exaggerating somewhat to say the least.

 

RPM BHP LbFt

2000 29 73

2500 39 82

3000 54 94

3500 66 99

4000 76 100

4500 96 112

5000 108 113

5500 116 111

6000 121 106

6500 116 94

 

I should have added that although the BHP figures are as measured at the wheels, the torque figs aren't what you really see at the wheels at all since torque is affected by gearing (you get more torque at the wheels in 3rd gear than 4th for example). So the torque figs here are really what the engine would be producing at the flwheel if the BHP figs were also from the flywheel. Hope that's clear?

 

In any event, the real torque and power figures at the flwheel will be higher than quoted here because significant power is absorbed by the transmission and the tyres. The main thing is that these figs shows the shape of the torque curve. Typically, an engine of this spec will give around 135 LbFt at the flywheel.

 

Edited by - Roger King on 22 Oct 2013 22:53:30

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thanks for all the work roger, it has pointed me in the right direction. yes, it still has a wet sump and given that it has spent the last 2 years thrashing round gurston, crystal palace and combe on trackdays and sprints i think the dry sump conversion would be wise and also adds weight to the big end theory. although i'm not particularly fast i managed to win my class last week by a combination of several flukes and some severe weather which has given me fresh impetus and i'm minded to do a complete refresh with gearbox oil change and anything else you can think of that might be thinking of wearing out. although i'm mechanically fairly competent i'd give this to someone definately competent and james whiting in ashford advertises in lowflying and is not far away.

thanks again.

tony booth.

 

whoosh - thanks i'll check that one out too.

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thanks chris, i find the palace a frustrating place to drive and i've nodded off at night many times wondering how to get round that twiddly bit at the top. fortunately my nearest rival this last coupla years taught me about braking into corners. he did it so well that i beat him last time out which sums up the great atmosphere in the paddock and keeps me getting up at dark o'clock to get to the track.

see you in may

 

whoosh - that's mechanical porn, thanks.

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Quoting four20: 
fortunately my nearest rival this last coupla years taught me about braking into corners. he did it so well that i beat him last time out which sums up the great atmosphere in the paddock and keeps me getting up at dark o'clock to get to the track.

 

Yeah, I won't be doing that again *redface* Or fluffing my gearchanges off the start line... (Driver excuse number...)

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still think my win was a fluke nick,those syvlas should have wiped the floor with us - look forward to trying again next year though. and the tankard looks nice.

 

Edited by - four20 on 23 Oct 2013 11:55:59

 

Edited by - four20 on 23 Oct 2013 11:56:44

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final update, i've decided to go for an upgrade to 2L zetec with james whiting and looking forward to another 40 horses and a wider torque curve. might get a bit closer to the Sylvas too. a full service from someone who knows what they're doing will set my mind at rest for next year too - this car is almost old enough to vote.
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mmmmmm...speed.

 

cheers chris, the bank balance has taken a mighty hit but the old engine should be minimally damaged so i'm hoping to check that out and sell it on if there's a market......anyone looking for a fast AX blocked crossflow, slightly foxed?

 

Edited by - four20 on 25 Oct 2013 22:01:34

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Tony,

 

If you have no luck selling the engine as a 'working' unit it may be worth considering stripping down and selling the components separately. This is what I did after dropping a piston and snapping the camshaft! I managed £600 alone just for my 1800 AX block (which miraculously was undamaged). Basically I changed everything forward of the gearbox and raised just under £2k, which went a considerable way to repairing the dent in the bank balance.

 

 

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thanks for that chris, the new engine isn't far off what i paid for the car so any returns will be welcome. i think i've caught the big ends before any serious damage has been done though so the engine should be in fairly good nick.

 

atb tony

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