henry21p Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Once the original owner finished the car and drove it a bit, think age and ill health may have played a part in not driving it. The current owner used to do a lot of work for him and always asked about the car when he was visiting/working at this chap's mansion. Current owner I believe was offered the car but didn't realise quite how specialised/rare it was. He's seriously of two minds about whether to keep it or sell it. I've offered him my help in restoring it if he keeps it. I think he's been very cautious with his advert - it appears to be in quite good nick and may NOT need the body off - certainly there are no holes in the chassis in the places where mine failed. The rails are surface rust from what it appears but would need an inspection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Golf Juliet Tango Posted October 13, 2008 Area Representative Share Posted October 13, 2008 David, you are an irrepressible optimist. (we like you for it) This car has stood in the open air for eight years. Democratic dissent is not disloyalty, it is a positive civic duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry21p Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 And my car stood in open air without a cover and drove in all weathers AND did trackdays for 11 years..... This car has been outdoors recently, yes - I'm not sure for how long it's been under that tarp or out from undercover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKB Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 Well it's up to £5K now; guess we have to wait for another 6days and about 45minutes before it reaches its true worth. Thanks for the tips D *wavey*ave21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrelevant Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 And my car stood in open air without a cover and drove in all weathers AND did trackdays for 11 years..... Which explains why pretty much everything was knackered then I'd certainly take a serious look at this car before bidding if I was considering buying . .. Price is creeping up now and it's no longer worth a punt on the evidence of the advert alone. If you're going to bid, you really want to know what condition it's in as a 21 rebuild is a barsteward of a job (or so I hear). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry21p Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 It IS a barsteward of a job should trev have taken it apart with an angle grinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul jacobs Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 I've now had a chance to look at this car, and whoever buys it, must be prepared for A LOT OF WORK . The rear of the chassis is in tatters whilst the front is so badly pitted through rust, particularly near the engine mounts that it is not worth saving. Most of the suspension parts will need replacing, or at the very least stripping back and repainting. Virtually all the bolts on the car are rusted, probably seized, and the whole braking system will need checking over, and probably replacing, as if dampness has got in it will have pitted things like the caliper pistons etc. The body is actually quite good, the paint will probably come up with T cut and a good polish, and the interior may come up quite well too, especially if there is a way of getting the spots of mould off the leather. Hood looks OK, but the seams may need restitching, just in case the thread has been affected by the water. The engine started and ticked over very nicely, but as it's been standing, I would at the very least budget to put a new headgasket on. Gearbox and diff are probably OK, but unable to test, but the drive shafts are very badly rusted, they are solid, so possibly OK, but certainly, they look sad. Although not mentioned the car appears to be sold with it's cherished number of N11 RAE, which must have some value once the car is MoT'd. Based on Davids' rebuild prices, which look very realistic, personally, I would not now be interested in the car, perhaps at £3-£4k it would have been a proposition, but it is a very long term and expensive project, and I don't think that, even if the value is around £15k when finished, the project would pay for itself. I think the current owner is genuine, although anyone who says that he has been given a car a few weeks ago, and is now selling through ebay, must be checked out in the normal way. My thought was that he has had a good look at what he has been given and decided, quite rightly, that there is far too much work involved, although he has researched what needs doing and has a fair understanding of what he's got. It is quite probable that the £5k it has now reached is the reserve price, who knows who put that figure up, but it hasn't moved for a few days now, so it just may be that it won't actually sell, and may be for sale privately, at a price reflecting its' condition, later. If anyone is seriously interested and can't get down to Devon to see it, don't hesitate to contact me if you need to know more. Paul J. Loud pipes save lives, but quiet ones save your hearing. Edited by - Paul Jacobs on 17 Oct 2008 12:55:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Golf Juliet Tango Posted October 17, 2008 Area Representative Share Posted October 17, 2008 Good report Paul. Very good of you to go and look at it. Stephen Democratic dissent is not disloyalty, it is a positive civic duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKB Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 Thanks Paul for the report. It does seem amazing that the chassis should deteriorate so badly in this time. The additional photos do make the car look in pretty good condition otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Golf Juliet Tango Posted October 19, 2008 Area Representative Share Posted October 19, 2008 It does seem amazing that the chassis should deteriorate so badly in this time. Why? This car is a late '90s era and thus has the standard (TADTS) powder coating which is infamously flakey. BTW: I want this car to go to a good home where it will be loved, cherished and driven, however I want the future owner to go into it with their eyes open and fully aware of the time, expense and inevitable frustration which will go with it. It is a privelige to own one of the 48 prototypes and you will frequently get comments along the lines of "Never seen one of those/these before, Ginetta/TVR/Marcos* is it?" * please select as appropriate! Democratic dissent is not disloyalty, it is a positive civic duty. Edited by - Golf Juliet Tango on 19 Oct 2008 13:22:31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IKB Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 £6851 in the last few seconds. Who is the lucky person? Will we see this on here or pistonheads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter T Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Hardly a bargain of the year though. Dave you might have some more work cut ot for you soon................ unless you know who bought it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irrelevant Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Who is the lucky person? Everyone but the highest bidder me thinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul jacobs Posted October 20, 2008 Share Posted October 20, 2008 Well, whoever it was, I just hope they had a chance to thoroughly inspect what they were proposing to bid on first, so that they know the extent of the chassis work. Anyway, hopefully another 21 saved I had this crazy idea for a short time, that,as a new chassis was required, instead of putting a standard 21 chassis under it, why not use an SV chassis, and have the body stretched, I think it would've made a far better car, especially with a Duratec [or Vauxhall 😬 ] engine installed. Oh yes, and sort out the side windows so that there was a least an opening section to them 😔 Paul J. Loud pipes save lives, but quiet ones save your hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickbowyer Posted October 21, 2008 Author Share Posted October 21, 2008 21 Clearance items from CC online store Dick Superlight SV Duratec R400 Arch Inside 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malc Dudley Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 The 21 has been relisted on ebay. Whats all that about, does anyone know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziplobb Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 the owner was probably not satisfied with the price he got or i was one of those classic ebay timewasters who cannot grasp the concept of an auction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Golf Juliet Tango Posted October 23, 2008 Area Representative Share Posted October 23, 2008 That is right at the top (or above) of its value as a rebuild project. IMHO. Democratic dissent is not disloyalty, it is a positive civic duty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingnonut Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 The 21 has been relisted on ebay. Whats all that about, does anyone know. A shill bid that went wrong maybe W.Nut . Rosso Superlight no.087 (no longer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ryan Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Has it been re-listed? I couldn't find it. Can someone post a link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellissimmo Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 I was 'watching' this and, as far as I can see, it got re-listed at 1,000 start price and then withdrawn shortly after. WTF ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul jacobs Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 WTF indeed. I don't think there is anything fishy going on, but it would be interesting to know what ishappening and why? It's a bit like a soap isn't it [and I don't mean the slippery stuff either 😔] Paul J. Loud pipes save lives, but quiet ones save your hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusCat Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 My caterham was bought off ebay but... I took the seller's details, waited for the auction to end (if it had sold - so be it, but it did not as it did not reach the reserve), called the guy up, went to look at it and purchased it as a 'normal' private sale. Something similar may well have happened here, the guy relisted it but with all the interest it's probably been sold off e-bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul jacobs Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 That sounds quite feasible Paul J. Loud pipes save lives, but quiet ones save your hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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