Marco7 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I was looking for any information concerning the 1400K supersport engine kit: what's exactly been tuned in the cylinder head ??? I know there are specific camshafts and mechanical tappets, but are there other things I should know in there ? Also, I couldn't find anywhere what precise Rover engine model was used as a basis for this. Has someone this information ? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 SS is basically just cams and a reprogrammed ECU. No head-work. Tappets are still hydraulic AFAIK. Not sure if you are asking; i) where to go next from an existing 1.4SS or, ii) whether the SS kit is a worthwhile addition to an otherwise standard engine Project Scope-Creep is underway... Alcester Racing 7's Equipe - 🙆🏻™ Alcester-Racing-Sevens.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco7 Posted January 31, 2005 Author Share Posted January 31, 2005 In fact, 1600K supersport has nothing in common with 1400K supersport, a lot has been done on the head. Hydraulic tapets have been replaced by mechanical ones (not sure about the word). I actually have that 1400K and before replacing the head gasket, I d like to know a little about all this as the mileage may require more repairing. So my Rover local guy wants me to provide him maximum information about the parts in there (valve springs, valve guide, rocker arms ...) Another information I had today from Caterham Cars: there is no more parts available for them and they haven't told me more about these engines... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 Aha. I stand corrected. 😳 Project Scope-Creep is underway... Alcester Racing 7's Equipe - 🙆🏻™ Alcester-Racing-Sevens.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco7 Posted January 31, 2005 Author Share Posted January 31, 2005 A few people knows about it ☹️ This is a really fun engine, but no more support now ... I m on my own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Payne Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 The mechanical followers were only in the 1400 race engines, most 1400SS just use the normal hydraulic ones. The valves and springs are standard Rover 1400 parts, Dave Andrews web site has details of the camshafts. The heads are standard and the inlet manifold is a Caterham part. The nearest Rover car seems to be a Metro 1.4 GTi (about the only Rover car using the k-series in the early 1990's) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco7 Posted January 31, 2005 Author Share Posted January 31, 2005 What's weird is that the owner's guide refers to mechanical tappets for SuperSport engine (and the 1.6K was not yet referenced in there ...). For the valves and springs, this is good news ;) I should now just find the exact engine model (as 114GTI have been built with many different models if I believe what my K-dealer told me). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom7 Posted January 31, 2005 Share Posted January 31, 2005 I believe it was the "Metro" GTi with Mpi (multi point injection) The Rover 114 came later. In standard form it produced 103bhp, with cams and ECU in Caterham SS guise it produced 128bhp. I can't remember if mech tappets came with all 1400's but they were standard on the race cars. This engine has the cast inlet manifold, (similar to the vvc one) although in Rover use 'supersport' was not cast into it. Hope this helps. Tom edited to say... There was no additional head work done on this engine, that was a stipulation of the project. Edited by - tom7 on 31 Jan 2005 21:16:14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco7 Posted January 31, 2005 Author Share Posted January 31, 2005 Thanks, in fact, the Metro was model 114 GTI 16v. There is a terrible mess with names around 😬 The mech tappets were NOT on the 1400K, just 1400K supersport (as told in my owner's guide). I think that's OK for the cyl head. Now what interests me is the engine number has written on the block. It should read "1400K........" if someone has the number of his engine, that could ok else I ll run into this :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dartmoor7 Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 As someone has said, originally only race 1400SSs had mechanical tappets, other 1400SSs had standard hydraulic valves (like mine). Nearest Rover engine was that fitted to Metro GTI 16V. This is exactly the engine fitted to the NON-SS 1400. Jerry Parker L7 SVN 1.4 Supersport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheds Moderator Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 Head std, valves std, race ones as stated have solid tappets, others don't, warm cams and ECU, modified inlet manifold plenum and TB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco7 Posted February 1, 2005 Author Share Posted February 1, 2005 OK, that makes me more comfortable... Has someone his engine number in mind ? It should be something like 14K4Fxxxxxx where the two first x digits may tell me the exact engine model. I haven't been able to find it on mine ... maybe behind the starter or the 4 in 1 collector ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dartmoor7 Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 Caterham give the engines they fit their own number which is also part of the chassis number and bears no relation to the 14K4Fxxxxxx you mention. Jerry Parker L7 SVN 1.4 Supersport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco7 Posted February 1, 2005 Author Share Posted February 1, 2005 Ah ah, I can understand why my Rover guy couldnt figure out what was the engine model ... I think the ball is in the Caterham field/corner (???) now ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordy Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 the rover engine number is ground off the block by Caterham to fit the starter motor. they stamp a new engine number of their own on the edge of the ladder frame. Can confirm most supersports had hydraulic followers, mine did. On my old 1400SS I replaced my standard engine with a race one and this had mechanical tappets. Supersport cams are the same across 1.4, 1.6 and 1.8 I believe (for hydraulic). I believe the cams for the 1.4 with mechanical tappets was slightly different. Early 1.4 heads were 'low port' heads which were only on the 1.4. Later the 1.4's got 'high port' heads which were the same as a 1.6 and a 1.8. I would assume most of the head parts are interchangeable though. Early 1.4SS had cast ali inlet manifolds. Later they got plastic ones like all the others. check out dave andrews website and the difference in heads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco7 Posted February 2, 2005 Author Share Posted February 2, 2005 I havent checked yet if I have the low port or the high port head ... but I do have the ali inlet manifold. I ll have a deeper look to the Dave Andrews site, I just read all over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco7 Posted February 3, 2005 Author Share Posted February 3, 2005 OK, I have a low port one ... is it bad ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierre Gillet Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Yes. You need to go Xflow. fanch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco7 Posted February 3, 2005 Author Share Posted February 3, 2005 Pierre Gillet, tu sors ca d ou ??? And, Pierre, Fanch, whoever: I wont put an sissy-designed engine in my car ! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanch Posted February 3, 2005 Share Posted February 3, 2005 Yes everybody knows that the XF is the best engine for a Cat !! 😬 Fanch Brittany Cat Sprint (le combat s'étend sur un territoire de + en + grand !!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheds Moderator Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 Fanch, le meilleur endroit pour un XF en Bretagne est à Brest où on s'en sert pour ancrer les bateaux! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheds Moderator Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 On a entendu qu'il y a un 1.4kss sur Ebay? D'accord, c'est à Glasgow, uniquement collection, mais si tu veux organiser un camion sur groupage, pour collection, ça vaut peut-être le cout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanch Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 hello BOSS non, mon XF ne supporte pas l'eau, il tourne au chouchen !! Fanch Cat Sprint Brest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englishmaninwales Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 Maen ddrwg gen i, ond d'wi ddim yn siarad Franc! Ysgrifennwch yn Saesneg, os gwel yn dda!!! *tongue* Malcolm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanch Posted February 4, 2005 Share Posted February 4, 2005 Yes Malcolm ! I think so Fanch Edited by - Fanch on 4 Feb 2005 19:25:00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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