paul seymour Posted March 6, 2011 Author Share Posted March 6, 2011 Thankyou for all the info martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velocityblade Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 The track day was through MSV and it was a Novice day, so was just right for me. It turned out I was the only Caterham on the circuit. I booked a session with an instructor and it was well worth the money. I am booked through Geoff for the Brands Hatch GP Circuit, which should be brilliant. A thought re your new RB's. I don't know what ECU or mapping you have on your 7: I took mine (following recommendations on Tech Threads again)to Track 'n Road to have my standard ECU mapped for optimum performance by the "2 Steve's". It made a fantastic difference to the tracktability and power of the car and low speed running in traffic became enjoyable - no popping and bangs and overruns and surges. Driving home it was like a different - and much more fun - car. They are just across the Tunnel from you, in Essex, so if you have some time to spare, I would highly recommend a visit to Track 'n Road, to get the most from your new RB's. And a word on their customer service: when my 7 came off the rolling road, they said, " take it for a test drive. If you don't think we've made a difference, don't pay us". I paid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyR Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 I took mine (following recommendations on Tech Threads again)to Track 'n Road to have my standard ECU mapped for optimum performance by the "2 Steve's". It made a fantastic difference to the tracktability and power of the car and low speed running in traffic became enjoyable - no popping and bangs and overruns and surges. Driving home it was like a different - and much more fun - car. What BHP & torque did you get? I'm just installing a Raceline 2.0 litre Duratec which is R400 spec plus jenvey throttle bodies. Raceline quote 210bhp which is the same as a standard R400. Tony Edited by - TonyR on 7 Mar 2011 11:56:31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Re accommodation for Llandow, there's an excellent B&B here. It's about half a mile from the circuit. There's a very good pub/restaurant a short walk away in Sigingstone here. And if you're into old Triumph motorbikes, John has a couple he'd be delighted to show you, I'm sure. JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinH Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Thanks John. I am contacting them. Cheers Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velocityblade Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Tony Following the Tech Talk threads on rough low speed running, I opted to take the Track 'n Road path. My motivation was for better running rather than greater power. Part of the Track 'n Road prep before starting their mapping of my 7 was to run a compression test. This found cylinders 1 and 3 with 215. Their pressure test showed significant inlet valve leakage. Nevertheless with my OK they carried on and the car measured 216 BHP and 152lbft torque once they had finished. The car has since been back to Caterham who changed rings, reworked the head etc. It is noticeably quicker now than when I picked it up from T 'n R. I don't have new figures though but it'll be > 216for sure. The main thing for me that T 'n R did was the way they improved the power delivery. More responsiveness, smoother delivery and none of the over-fuelling issues common on the standard set up. The power and torque curves are much more user-friendly. Sitting with them as they recorded the initial standard settings then remapped the ECU to the new settings, you get to see just how "out" the generic settings are and how much they can be moved into a more efficient curve. Hope this is helpful Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinH Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 For the current RBTB upgrade that CC do for 175 and 210 Duratecs I think they require the ECU to be sent back to them for either remapping or replacement. I wonder how 'out' their settings may be - if at all. I wonder if then taking the car to R&R would help with issues that Paul and others have noticed regarding lower MPG. (I would expect some lowered MPG of course but 35 to 20ish sounds quite a difference). If not concerend about the fact that it was an 'official' CC upgrade - would it be an idea to source the TBs and injectors elsewhere then pay for a remapping session at R&R instead - which may result in a more refined map for your specific car? Thoughts? I am still not crystal clear on whether the PIN protected MBE ECU that comes with the current R300 can be remapped by anyone other than CC though. Anyone have the definitive on that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velocityblade Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 For clarity on my K series 1800, I am still getting 35 mpg or so when out and about everyday. Low 20's was track day use, rather than anything T 'n R did. I also heard a rumour that CC have been known to use T 'n R for tuning, as it's a couple of miles across the bridge from Dartford. Can't substantiate this though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markiebabes Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 ChrisFor clarity on my K series 1800, I am still getting 35 mpg or so when out and about everyday. Low 20's was track day use, rather than anything T 'n R did. WoW that's impressive mine is around 25-28 out and about down to 20ish on a Blat Maybe I need to get down to the two steves with mine ❗ 😬 Martin I think if it's mbe the two steves can map it as far as I'm aware anyway 😬 which one do you have in yours ? Worth a call to T&R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2slo Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 C'mon Fellas, Someone post a video of their RBTB'd R400 to wet my appetite, I've still got another 14 weeks and 3 days to wait (not that I'm counting!) Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markiebabes Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Mark but it should wet your appetite 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2slo Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Thanks Mark, I hadn't seen that vid before (looked at a few on youtube searched for under Caterham and/ or R400) so that didn't come up. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markiebabes Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 No worries mark 😬 I think I need to tag them " Caterham" so they get picked up in searches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul seymour Posted March 8, 2011 Author Share Posted March 8, 2011 *thumbup*COOL Mark,anouther thing to put on the list to do in the caterham this year. i think the booking form for this years dunsfold day is in this months low flying if anyone got a taste for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velocityblade Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 A call to T 'n R is well worth it. I know they say they can remap all sorts of systems. They have an extensive "library" of maps and keep everyone's "personal" map for future reference. That way if you need an instant re-map to your previous settings, they are able to do that. They aren't cheap and they do take a long time to get it right. So be prepared for a late night and >£400 if you do decide to pay them a visit. To be fair, they aren't the only game in town and a scan through Tech Talk will produce other equally rated tuning companies around the UK. T 'n R are a 30 min ride away for me so it was a no-brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markiebabes Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Paul 😬 Dunsfold days are great fun 😬 Good to see what your car is capable of 😬 then progress to track days and you "will get hooked " 😬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul seymour Posted March 8, 2011 Author Share Posted March 8, 2011 *thumbup*Thanks mark,i will try to book the dunsfold day when the form is available later this month,i think like you said it will be a great day out. *wavey*ps have you booked those b&b/hotels yet for your trip,dave sv and i need to sort ours too but its hard to know where to aim for in a day,which has secure parking and the choice is huge in places to stay. I am sure they will fill quickly though so must get on to it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markiebabes Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 Paul been looking 😬 will let you know if anything might suit you guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velocityblade Posted March 8, 2011 Share Posted March 8, 2011 If it is any help, here's the ECU on my R400 that T 'n R worked their magic on. Nothing special before they remapped it. http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5178/5510719542_c9529c9e5c_m.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john aston Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 It may be only 10 bhp on paper but even allowing for the absolutely feral induction snarl the car feels a lot quicker- and I mean a LOT !.Collected today from Cat Midlands after RBTB fitted and first time I gave it what Troy Queef would term the full beans I couldn't believe the difference. On light throttle- bit smoother , better tickover but once she is breathing hard (ooh err ) she bloody flies. Interesting bangs and pops on over- run- going to be challenging slowing down for horses without scaring the poor things silly She likes a drink too - but not really too much more than with original plenum set up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul seymour Posted March 24, 2012 Author Share Posted March 24, 2012 .Well done john,what a great weekend you have now to go horse hunting, 😬. Couldnt agree more on your comments,i think its a great upgrade.Have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 even allowing for the absolutely feral induction snarlWould you (or anyone) happen to know the noise level with RBTBs? I've been considering this upgrade myself, but wouldn't want to fall foul of the typical 98dB trackday limit. JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velocityblade Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 John V Not sure how much the RB's add to the noise level. I know when I had the old exhaust fitted, with the RB's, I just scraped in under 105dB. With a new CC silencer and no other changes I did get under 98 no problem. Re-packing the exhaust may be worth considering if you're going to upgrade to the RB's. John A Interested to read of the pops and bangs. I had those till Track and Road (AKA The 2 Steve's) built me my own map. Clean as a whistle now. I am sure there is a similar tuning operation in the midlands you could use. Good luck with the upgrade Edited by - velocityblade on 24 Mar 2012 15:15:02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Thanks for that, v-b. I had RBs on my K Supersport-R, and managed (just) to get under 98dB at Donny, but I did have the R500 "quiet" 7" repackable silencer. My R400D has the standard CC non-repackable jobbie. JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velocityblade Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Oh, OK. My CC silencer was the repackable type, for an R400. Seemed to do the job. There are lots of posts on good "quiet" silencers in the Tech Forum if you are in the mood to change yours out Wish I'd read them before buying mine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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