Thanks for the responses, I, am fairly certain there is a copper washer so I guess I'll have to bite the bullit and get under the car. Getting old makes my memory play tricks on me as I have had the plug out every year in the 7 years I've owned the car. I particularly liked the answer from Virden, I also have trouble from the pinion end so that will be another job on the list. It will be the second replacement in about 15k miles. I wonder if the original Ital van was just as bad? Maybe that was a minor fault compared to all of the others.