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  1. Every engine is different, Id want to try a selection of different lengths on the dyno to get the optimum.

    Port design and cam timing will have a bearing on what will work, too many variables without running a proper 1D simulation to get somewhere close.

    Dave Walker (emerald) has adjustable length trumpets available, might be worth seeing if he does a set to suit your Bodies ?

    As for throttle plate position, very often this is driven by packaging rather than what is optimum for the particular engine.

    Also the Jenvey pattern tooling and casting process is somewhat modular, which often drives the spindle position.

     

  2. Some engines just dont need big throttles, The sigma, we did an oval blade with an effective diameter of 42mm, which is fine for over 200hp

    We built a set at 45mm for testing with a customer who was convinced they were strangling the motor at the top end.

    It made no more power but lost torque everywhere else with teh larger throttles.

    What made a much bigger difference was intake length, both on top end power and lower end torque.

    Most ITB systems, even on 16V engines have intake lengths that are really too short.

    My Sigma set of direct to head throttles have something like 180-190mm trumpet length behind the butterfly and my Zetec (On jenvey dcoe bodies as thats what was fitted) has probably 150mm post butterfly but has a longer intake tract because of the manifold.

    This makes good power with only cams and rod bolts on a std Blacktop crate motor at 205hp but has 160lbs/ft of torque too with a really nice fat curve.

     

  3. Higher port velocity means greater cylinder filling in most situations, it would always be my preference to increase rather than decrease port velocities.

    It also helps with fuel mixing and tumble. 

    Butterfly closer to the head is better for transient response and drivability, this is difficult with a traditional DCOE style body because of the manifold required.

    Direct to head allows you to position the butterfly much closer than a DCOE style.

    50's on a 2.0L sounds like a serious motor ? 9000rpm ? and 250+ hp ?

  4. A number of years designing engines and induction systems including Throttle bodies means I stand by what I said regarding throttle position.

    M-Bob, If you already have the Bodies then that's different.

    The theory says you lose port velocity with a bigger diameter, (Which was always more of an issue with carbs) in practice its less of an issue.

    I`d use the smallest bodies that will give you the power output you seek, but be aware, power is addictive.

    If you go 48's I doubt you will lose any noticeable driveability over 45's but you will not be choking it at higher revs.

    All in my humble opinion of course, you are free to use whichever internet wisdom you choose *beer*

  5. Dont go dcoe bodies on a Duratec, Jenvey and AT power both do Direct to head bodies which are much better.

    You want the butterfly as close to the head as possible too and DCOE bodies wont allow you to do that.

    If you are trying to get close on maps, then you need the throttle position to be similar to the Roller Barrel position too or it doesnt work.

    TBH you are better off fitting the right hardware, a lambda guage and mapping it on the road will get you close enough to not do any damage.

    But I wouldnt comprimise the performance because of hardware just to save yourself an hours mapping.

  6. Theres a whole load of us who do regular trackdays at Snetterton in Caterhams, you are always welcome to tag along.

    1st day, and less than 100 miles on the ar ?

    Id be checking the service and warranty requirements with bookatrack first.

    Id be wanting at least an oil change before taking that on circuit.

    In a 620 you wont need an aeroscreen for now, that`ll have more than enough power.

    Garage is useful especially if its wet, means you can store all your gear too.

    do your belts up tight, especially the lap belts and add some tywraps or elastic bands to stop the ends of the belts flapping in your face

    Sit in the car, belts on, helmet on, engine off and just relax and clear your head for a couple of minutes (This is good before each session I find)

    Get at the front of the queue for the sighting laps

    Get some instruction early too

    build up slowly, take lots of breaks and only do 10-15 minute sessions.

     

    I always take it steady for a couple of laps too, just to get some heat into the tyres and let everything come up to temperature gradually before getting quicker.

    Always do a cooldown lap as well before coming in, it is much kinder to the car, and allows you to wind down too. High gear, low load, fans and heater blower on etc and swift pace rather than pressing on.

    Just relax, and most of all enjoy it !!!

     

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