Eugene Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Anyone adjusted their 3D Map for the 2L Raceline Zetec? I had a rolling road session yesterday and the advance droped to 14 deg at approx 2000 - 3000 rpm, light throttle, from an idle advance of 22 deg. Peter, who runs the rolling road at Wilshires garage, Wimpole, herts, said this was way too low - and he know his stuff! Would love to see other's maps... Small Boy - with Loud Toy! Co-founder of the BOG Club See Eugene here and see what I do here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molecular--Bob Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Here are a couple for stock engines that i have collected here If you open them full screen you can see the figures. Would be interested to see your map if you have the figures for it Ian b. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Lowe Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Eugene I have some OMEX maps for the Blacktop, what spec engine are you running? Guy Now with ZETEC power HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene Posted November 14, 2009 Author Share Posted November 14, 2009 Have spoken to Raceline and Omex, and it looks like I had the wrong map - totally different to the new one I've been supplied... no idea why. Chris at Raceline says they run the same ignition map (I'm on carbs) for all spec engines, but is spending this week going over everything again, so there may be some updates coming. The new map works a lot better 😬 Will keep you informed. Small Boy - with Loud Toy! Co-founder of the BOG Club See Eugene here and see what I do here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene Posted November 15, 2009 Author Share Posted November 15, 2009 Ok, I've posted screen grabs of the 2 maps I have... Have a look here. Look for the images that start 'map'... Let me know what you think. Small Boy - with Loud Toy! Co-founder of the BOG Club See Eugene here and see what I do here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damdy-Cash Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 here a link of my map. 2L Zetec with TB, mapped from Northampton Motorsport. Looks quiet different? Cheers Volker German Sevener in Scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Lowe Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Eugene map_original_wrong.jpg is the Raceline map for the standard Blacktop ZETEC running carbs with standard cams and no head work/porting done. This map was origionaly named Raceline Zetec Ign.OMEX 600.VO.70.cal and my car ran 163BHP on 40's with that. map_receline-omex_correct.jpg is the Raceline map for use with T/B's, RLF200 cams and head porting for the Raceline 200bhp upgrade of the Blacktop ZETEC. This map was origionaly named Ford Zetec Focus 2L cams and head tps on.OMEX 600.V0.70.cal EDITED TO ADD: I Believe you can also use the latter with 45's as well as TB's. Guy Now with ZETEC power HERE Edited by - Guy Lowe on 15 Nov 2009 21:07:38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 Ah, makes sense... I'm running 45's with cams and head work, so the new map is the correct one Small Boy - with Loud Toy! Co-founder of the BOG Club See Eugene here and see what I do here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 Just thought some more about this... Chris at Raceline says they only have one ignition map for all spec engines (Omex 200 only?)... And the 'wrong' map very obviously has nowhere near enough ignition advance as it comes off the static timing setup, so I really can't see this being a valid map for any engine? Weird! Small Boy - with Loud Toy! Co-founder of the BOG Club See Eugene here and see what I do here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 Volker, what spec's your Zetec? I think I still need a tad more advance on ligh throttle just as you come off the static timing set-up... Any other different maps/set-ups out there? Small Boy - with Loud Toy! Co-founder of the BOG Club See Eugene here and see what I do here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damdy-Cash Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Hi Eugene, 2.0L standard head and cams, 45 Jenveys, Raceline 4 to 1 Exhaust cheers Volker German Sevener in Scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 Thanks Volker, I really hope to ghet to the bottom of this. Will chase Chris at RaceLine this week for an update. I'm modded head and cams, with twin 45's, so still not sure what map is best - but the TB one does seem a lot better... Small Boy - with Loud Toy! Co-founder of the BOG Club See Eugene here and see what I do here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene Posted November 20, 2009 Author Share Posted November 20, 2009 No more mapos out there? Could do with somed more examples to look at... Small Boy - with Loud Toy! Co-founder of the BOG Club See Eugene here and see what I do here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damdy-Cash Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 Hi Eugene, sorry, have nothing else, but could you do me a favor and give me some information regarding idle and in special cold idle? here are my parameters, I have a Omex 500. The problem I have is that if cold the revs are somewhere at 400 and very shaky, as soon the engine has reached the warm temp, revs go to target idle. Howe does it work with your map? cheers Volker German Sevener in Scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damdy-Cash Posted December 5, 2009 Share Posted December 5, 2009 Hi Eugene *wavey* do you had time to have a look? cheers Volker German Sevener in Scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene Posted December 7, 2009 Author Share Posted December 7, 2009 Hi Volker - sorry, been stuck in a dark room in Madras grading an Irish feature film - don't ask! here Just looking at your data now, but not sure I can add much useful info as I'm not using coolant temp... Small Boy - with Loud Toy! Co-founder of the BOG Club See Eugene here and see what I do here Edited due to carp spelling... Edited by - Eugene on 7 Dec 2009 21:30:27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene Posted December 8, 2009 Author Share Posted December 8, 2009 Nope, beyond me... Try Andrew at Omex - he's been a great help with my problems! Small Boy - with Loud Toy! Co-founder of the BOG Club See Eugene here and see what I do here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damdy-Cash Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 many thanks, i will give it a try. cheers Volker German Sevener in Scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 I've been looking at the 3D Map Omex supplied as a replacement for the original one Raceline supplied, and have made a few tweaks, as well as adjusting some of the idle and tps settings... The result is an amazing improvement over the original - far smoother and crisper, and real delight do drive... Idles well at 950rpm, and picks-up cleanly from there, even with 45's. Changed the jets slightly too - now on 60-f6 idles, up from the Raceline spec 55-f6, and slightly smaller mains (cant' remember exactly but think 140, down from the Raceline spec 145). Hope this info helps others. Small Boy - with Loud Toy! Co-founder of the BOG Club See Eugene here and see what I do here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitzel Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Dear Eugene the last zetec with 45 web on mod. head and kentcams FZ 2002 was with chokes 38 main 145 aircorrector 150 emulsion tube F16 pump 45 drain/bleed 40 idle 55 F8 and 5 progessionhole here in germany 191,5 PS on the rolling road, runs perfect. now i drive unmod. with only 40 the best, but i do only touring Florian Beschleunigung ist wenn die Traenen der Ergriffenheit waagrecht vorbei fliegen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share Posted December 10, 2009 Ah, yes - 5 progresion holes... I've been told about that, but my 45s only have three. Anyone know what the spec is for the 5 hole progression version, and can three hole 45s be modded? Small Boy - with Loud Toy! Co-founder of the BOG Club See Eugene here and see what I do here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schnitzel Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Guten Abend Eugene, absolut easy going, send it to webcon. They need aprox. 4-5 workdays and normal prof. rolling road service could do this also for you. other are SC carburetor, Northamton Motorsport they much more in the Uk then by us. i hope this helps Florian Beschleunigung ist wenn die Traenen der Ergriffenheit waagrecht vorbei fliegen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil B Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Hi Eugene, Can you provide a copy of the final parameters you settled on for your Zetec map please? I am about to order a pair of RL200 cams to drop into my Raceline blacktop and would like to update the map to something tried and tested. I assume you are running an Omex 200? I have 45s with 5 progression holes, not sure of the jetting but I opted for the Webcon recommendation rather than spend an additional wedge at a rolling road. I really ought to take the covers off and confirm the carb settings. Thanks. Phil B (7 at last) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugene Posted January 21, 2010 Author Share Posted January 21, 2010 Hi Phil, I've just changes to 5 progression hole carbs - does work really well! Happy to supply the map - where should I send to? Steve Small Boy - with Loud Toy! Co-founder of the BOG Club See Eugene here and see what I do here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil B Posted January 23, 2010 Share Posted January 23, 2010 Eugen, Thanks, you have BM. Phil Phil B (7 at last) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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