pburt Posted June 9, 2007 Share Posted June 9, 2007 Does anybody know if there's anything special about the grease used to lubricate the fork at the base of the gear stick? I removed the gear stick from my 6-speed (1996) today and found green grease had been used. Is it a high melting point grease? Or can I slap some Castrol LM in there? Peter Burt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squadron Leader Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 I've always used LM grease in the past without any problems. Unless someone else here knows any better............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pburt Posted June 10, 2007 Author Share Posted June 10, 2007 Thanks for that. I thought maybe it got pretty hot in there so that LM would just turn to "oil". Anyway, as a supplementary question, does anyone know if the black plastic ball & socket/gimbal arrangement at the base of the lever be lubricated? On mine it appears dry but still seems to move freely and smoothly. Peter Burt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAP Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Peter, Why have you taken it out? Have you found selection gettin tighter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pburt Posted June 10, 2007 Author Share Posted June 10, 2007 OAP, Yes, when hot particularly. Just wanted to see what was going on in there in conjunction with changing the gear oil - see my subsequent post. Thought I'd better ask what the form is before putting it all back together (although I suspect the new gear oil - with the right amount! - may solve all the issues). The only noticeable lubrication to the base of the gear stick is the aforementioned green grease on the fork. The ball & socket doesn't look as if it has ever had any grease on it. Peter Burt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAP Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Peter, I have exactly the same issue, and changed the oil yesterday. The box took 1.7 litres with the front jacked up to let me get underneath, then a fair bit (100/200ml ?) drained out when the car was returned to horizontal - I'll lubricate the ball next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pburt Posted June 10, 2007 Author Share Posted June 10, 2007 OAP This would seem to coincide with RJ post on my oil change topic - ie about 1.5 litres. I've got mine on 4 axle stands and level, so it'll be interesting to see how much goes in. Looks like the betting would be 1.5l . Seems to make sense that the ball & socket (anybody know what the proper technical term is?) should be lubricated but I'll think I'll wait and see what others might say. Are you familiar with the green grease? It looks like Swarfega but is definitely grease! Peter Burt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAP Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 The build manual says 2l, but says nothing about lubricating the lever - I can't remember if mine contained green grease when I assembled it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pburt Posted June 10, 2007 Author Share Posted June 10, 2007 My build manual also says 2l but the owners manual says 1.9l, so who knows what is right. Still, the acid test is what goes in before it pours out of the filler, so the quoted capacities are academic I suppose! What age/mileage is your car? Does the change get stiffer when everything's up to temperature or is it consistent? Peter Burt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Mill Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 I'm sure the build manual is wrong - it says also says 2litres for the type 9 5-speeder. Ford who, having designed the thing presumably know better quote 1.25litres. BTW regarding the poor change quality I notice that the 5 speeder uses GL4 (and most especially not GL5) grade. Could it have been previously filled or topped up with GL5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OAP Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Peter, The car is five years old, 13500 miles. Selection is tighter when the box is hot, and I first noticed last year at Croft in 30+ temperatures. It got easier when cool, but has never returned to how it was. Trouble is, you don't notice small changes, and I hadn't realised how mine was until I drove a new car recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pburt Posted June 10, 2007 Author Share Posted June 10, 2007 Colin, Interesting point about the capacities. Seems they've got it wrong in the manual. I've no idea what gear oil was in there - just a creamy red stuff! OAP, You might want to check your clutch adjustment for the change stiffness. I improved mine considerably by adjusting it up a bit. Before I did that it was sometimes very difficult indeed to get it out of gear and into neutral, so I think that must have been down to clutch drag. Peter Burt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Mill Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Changing the oil will probably sort it - years ago I had a 412 which developed a gear change that almost seized up when hot. Replaced the oil (for the then new 85W140 stuff) and it was sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petrolhead Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Mine get stiff also when hot The gearbox 😬 Is there a work around NE7Club Web Site R5 no 65 😬 Trackday 2nd April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Mill Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Is there a work around Very short blats 😬 If it happened to mine I would be inclined to see if I could find a GL4 multigade gear oil as the 85W140 was a remarkably effective solution with the 412 - perfect at all temperatures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petrolhead Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 412??? NE7Club Web Site R5 no 65 😬 Trackday 2nd April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pburt Posted June 10, 2007 Author Share Posted June 10, 2007 Ferrari?? I think MTL could be classed as a GL4 multigrade. Whatever, I'll let you know if it works for me (well, the gearbox anyway!) Peter Burt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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