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Harness bolts 5/16ths not 7/16ths!


techbod

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Car is a 1989 live axle.

 

My current harnesses are a pair of Willans with 2" shoulder straps and are pretty old (the FIA label says ok to 1985) so I was going to replace them with a set that had 3" shoulder straps and are more up to date.

 

I bought a set of Caterham/Luke from another club member and went to start the fitting process when I came across the problem that the original harness bolts look like they are 5/16ths and not 7/16ths. The bar they are bolted too (forward of the roll bar) is 1" box - I assume that is standard?

 

So what are my options? Use a sleeve/bush with the 5/16ths? Drill out the box to take 7/16ths? (It doesn't have a captive nut under the bar, its uses a nylock). Or just leave well alone...

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Thanks for the replies.

 

Its good to know I'm not the only one with 5/16th bolts, and that a bush/top hat etc is an acceptable method of sorting out the problem. I could make some up (have a lathe), or might just speak to Redline, however having looked at the end of the lap belt, first I need to make sure that I can make this work.

 

It turns out the current lap belt ends are anchored by 7/16ths eyes (this sort of thing here) and are fixed with a snap type fitting (http://www.stroudsafety.com/Images/Restraints-SeatBeltEndsLg.jpg) which the replacement belts don't have.

 

So I need to unscrew the eyes, but I just have to assure myself that they are screwed into a captive nut or threaded boss, rather than just a nylock nut (like the shoulder straps) or I'll end up with a nut floating around and nothing to screw into and possibly have to remove the inner panels to sort.

 

I'm using the car this weekend so it will have to wait until next week before I can pull out the seats and check.

 

 

Edited by - techbod on 22 Aug 2014 22:30:26

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The batch I had made were:

11.45 mm internal bore throughout

Base section 19 mm outside diameter, 4.7 mm height

Upper section 14.21 mm outside diameter, 5.2mm height above base.

 

For me the crucial dimension was the height of the upper, thinner section. My new Titon belts had thicker plates than the originals and I needed taller spacers to allow them to swivel.

 

5/16" = 7.94 mm

7/16" = 11.11 mm

 

Jonathan

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  • 2 weeks later...

Note to self: Remember never, ever, assume anything.

 

Just because the bolt removed from the top harness mounting point is 5/16ths, it doesn't mean the hole they came out of is actually 5/16ths *eek*

 

At some point, someone used a combination of washers, rubber spacers and nylocks to allow a Willians harnesses, with a 5/16ths hole in the top mounting point to be 'mounted' in a 7/16ths hole with a 5/16th bolt.

 

The top mounting point is 'T' shaped on this particular harness, making it very thin where it bolts to the car. You couldn't open the hole out to 7/16ths there would be so little meat left on each side. A quick play with a micrometer says it would be very approx 3.8mm (or 5/32") left on each side if drilled to take a 7/16ths bolt. Hence the rather unorthodox mounting technique I assume.

 

Relived to have got to the bottom of it, not sure I would have wanted to tested it in an accident...

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