anthony1956 Posted October 5, 2019 Share Posted October 5, 2019 https://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/main/wp29/wp29regs/r087r2e.pdfInstructed to remove my DRLs because they are not approved by Switzerland. He mentioned EU regs.I think they mean the above linked doc from UNECE. He spent ages searching the lenses in detail. Was he looking for an E mark? They never explain anything. We are supposed to know, or rather be paying a garage that does, so no sympathy can be expected.. or mercy.I am thinking of these instead: https://www.hoelzle.ch/shop/bilder/pdf/tagfahrleuchten_f.pdfItem FBRL0398 (much cheaper on Amazon)Anthony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Golf Juliet Tango Posted October 5, 2019 Area Representative Share Posted October 5, 2019 I'm sorry but I'm not going to read the document but I have little sympathy with daylight running lights.Every driver should assess for themselves whether lights are required. If lights ARE required then they should show rear as well as front.It is probably appropriate now to define suitable parameters for car lighting by lumens both minima and maxima not by wattage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Oh dear, Anthony. Everything you report to us about Switzerland and motoring regs make it sound like a place (for motorists, at least) to avoid.Have you consulted CC on what (if any) regs they have to meet on cars exported to Europe? (I'm assuming they would supply DRLs to that market?)Every driver should assess for themselves whether lights are required.Difficult to argue with the spirit of that, except to point out that many road users can't or won't do it, especially in broad daylight. "Lights? What lights? It's not dark, is it?" Personally, I'd rather opt for a failsafe system that avoids the need for assessment. JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Golf Juliet Tango Posted October 6, 2019 Area Representative Share Posted October 6, 2019 JVI take your point that many drivers don't think.My secondary point is that daylight running units only show at the front and I think should show front and rear. I suggest traditional "side" lights are a better choice.On several cars they are also too bright, making it uncomfortable for oncoming drivers who are NOT in soft roader types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 My secondary point is that daylight running units only show at the front and I think should show front and rear. I suggest traditional "side" lights are a better choice. I agree with the first part. But while the standard rear "side" lights are OK intensity-wise, I think the front ones are just too feeble for anything other than parking. Maybe front DRLs plus rear "side" lights would be a good way forward?...soft roader types.I don't understand that bit. Is it an autocorrect?JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7 wonders of the world Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 ....soft roader types. Reference to knobs in Q7's, X5's or other pointless vehicles......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Area Representative Golf Juliet Tango Posted October 6, 2019 Area Representative Share Posted October 6, 2019 7WOTW is correct. All the lardy, overblown, high vehicles which litter the roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony1956 Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 DRLs are obligatory here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony1956 Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 I found some E marked in my garage this morning, noted the olde ones are not E marked, so I have fitted these new ones. Just have to "remove" my third rear fog light as only two are permitted.I have wondered about second purposing my twin (LED) rear fogs as rear DRLs, with some reduced brightness.remind me, is it broad daylight when rear fogs are a pain, or just ar night... no fog involved.anthony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony1956 Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 Left is old right is new (E marked) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony1956 Posted October 6, 2019 Author Share Posted October 6, 2019 Ok so what I REALLY use them for is directional lighting on hairpins in pitch black night blats, otherwise I can't see. As well as fully automated legal daylights in daytime, so as to avoid my headlights draining the battery because I forget to switch them off and generally to draw less current, because there are times that matters.I read very recently the reason countries are making them obligatory is a 15% drop in accidents.. so nothing to do with speed traps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM25T Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Rear tail light 5W, brake light 21W. Fog light must be more. These values for filament bulbs, not LED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EEK Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 to remind you - IMHO rear fogs when on in absence of fog, PITA at night less so in the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 ...brake light 21W. Fog light must be more.My (filament) rear fog is 21W. ...IMHO rear fogs when on in absence of fog, PITA at night...Especially when it's raining.JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Vine Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Ok so what I REALLY use them for is directional lighting on hairpins in pitch black night blats, otherwise I can't see. I discovered recently that my Mondeo front fogs do exactly that. When I have the headlights on, the front fog facing the turn comes on as the wheel is turned. When I reported what I thought was a fault to my local Ford dealer, he explained it all (and thought me a prize muppet, no doubt).JV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony1956 Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 Ok, how about I repurpose them as brake lights, keep then my one original rear fog light? Extra brake light being more safety in our little cars with trailer clusters for lights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM25T Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Considering your location, check any regulations regarding positioning on the vehicle and if the E marking on them is permitted as a brake light ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony1956 Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 I’m not sure if they are E marked. Will have a look shortly post pizza. CBS ones I think.it would be nice to use them, so far they have been solely ornamental. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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anthony1956 Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 very helpful Edward Lofthouse at Ring Automotive, posted with his ok:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Message: Please advise ifhttps://www.ringautomotive.com/en/product/BRL0398 is approved in Switzerland.Hi Anthony, is for UK only.However the FBRL0398 export version is E marked for the EU.Any E marked part should be fit to use in any other jurisdiction where E marksare recognised.Thus stuff tested in Spain and E marked E9 is okay for Austria for example. E1 ? Germany E2 ? France E3 ? Italy E4 ? Netherlands E5 ? Sweden E6 ? Belgium E7 ? Hungary E8 ? Czech Republic E9 ? Spain E10 ? Yugoslavia E11 ? United Kingdom E12 ? Austria E13 ? Luxembourg E14 ? Switzerland E16 ? Norway E17 ? Finland E18 ? Denmark E19 ? Romania E20 ? Poland E21 ? Portugal E22 ? Russian Federation E23 ? Greece E24 ? Ireland E25 ? Croatia E26 ? Slovenia E27 ? Slovakia E28 ? Belarus E29 ? Estonia E31 ? Bosnia and Herzegovina E32 ? Latvia E34 ? Bulgaria E37 ? Turkey E40 ? Macedonia E42 ? European Community E43 ? Japan E45 ? Australia E46 ? Ukraine E47 ? South Africa Switzerland is E14 so you should be ok.Kind regards,Edward LofthouseHi Anthony, any E marking done in Switzerland is E14. All E marks are equally valid in any other country that recognises E marks.Any E mark should be recognised in Switzerland.Where it has been done doesn’t matter.Some countries laboratories are cheaper than others, hence a lot of E marking is done in Spain for exampleas the wages are lower than say Germany. The E marking has equal validity.Kind regardsEdward LofthouseQA Technical SupportRing Automotive LimitedAN OSRAM BUSINESST: +44 1132137339 E: technicalsupport@ringautomotive.comwww.ringautomotive.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rj Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Link doesn't work Anthony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM25T Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Missing an 'm' or .uk ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony1956 Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 fixed. tx yes m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony1956 Posted October 8, 2019 Author Share Posted October 8, 2019 DRL chat https://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/trans/doc/2003/wp29gre/TRANS-WP29-GRE-50-01e.doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony1956 Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 Couple of pics, compare old with new and new fitted: right is new, second is both new Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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