Paul Sweeney Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 my R400 is nearly 3 years old and will need an MOT soon.it has always run a race ECU.presumably to pass an mot it will need a standard one.i have posted a note on the wanted section but any thoyghts?
Peter T Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 Even standard maps don't pass the MOT. I suggest you give Andy Belcher a call. He seems to get them through. R500 Mango Madness
Mark Durrant Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 If it has an MBE ECU then you can get it remapped, not cheap (around £450) but it will transfortm the driveability of the car, improving both mid range torque and bhp. Steve Greenald at Track N Road, just off the A13 near the M25 in Essex can do this for you and he comes highly recommended by many on this forum. He can be contacted on 07774 773824 Mark D Comp Sec
Paul Sweeney Posted July 19, 2006 Author Posted July 19, 2006 thanks for quick reply,it is a standard caterham supplied ecu ? will that be able to be remapped?
Peter T Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 Not if it is the Rover supplied unit. Did the R400 come with an MBE 🤔 R500 Mango Madness
davef Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 Sweeney, I'm interested how you get on with this (I've recently upgraded to a R400 engine and will need to MOT it next year). Do you have a catalytic convertor (guess not if you're running the race map)? Did the R400 come with an MBE Mine did (it's the ECU). At the moment it has the Race map installed (goes well, pops'n'bangs on the overrun 😬 ). I'm taking it to DVA next month for verniers and new cam belt, and then I'm going to book it into Steve Greenaulds for a remap...... Dave Edited by - davef on 19 Jul 2006 11:04:52
Peter T Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 MBE is the Type of ECU, is it black and small or is it larger and silver? R500 Mango Madness
Simon.Rogers1 Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 Yes R400 = MBE (ECU) R400 have the Titan Roller Barrels which required a different ECU to the VHPD MEMS (ECU) Therefore yes you can get it remapped. Race engines can pass an MOT without emmisions testing as I have been told by my tester who does'nt check them. Something to do with primary use etc.
davef Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 Race engines can pass an MOT without emmisions testing as I have been told by my tester who does'nt check them. Something to do with primary use etc. Interesting. I have an ex Race R400 installed in my seven. So how do I persuade the MOT tester that this is exempt? Dave
Peter T Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 If it needs an MOT then surely it has to comply with emissions? Same goes for a CAT? I've never heard that before. I will go and check the government site. R500 Mango Madness
Paul Sweeney Posted July 19, 2006 Author Posted July 19, 2006 my R400 was built by caterham midlands using an R400 race chassis/kit then modified by them to use on the road ie amended wiring loom,road dash and a handbrake fitted which uses additional handbrake only rear calipers. the ecu is silver with 'race' written over it in black marker pen i do have the standard R400 race exhaust and a road system with the cat,recently also bought the biggest silencer i could from caterham which runs a short straight through pipe with no cat to try and make it quieter. with race exhaust i have recorded 105db at goodwood after a long warm up,cold engine recorded 111db.i hope the new system gets under 105db a little easier,will find out soon! interested that an mot tester thinks race engines may not need emissions testing? wonder how we could get a definative answer?
Simon.Rogers1 Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 All I can say is thats how mine has passes for the passed 2 yrs.
Peter T Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 Can't find any info regarding this on the Government site. R500 Mango Madness
Dunsfold Dave Posted July 19, 2006 Posted July 19, 2006 I fitted my cat and put my R400 through its first MOT last week. I told the tester (an ex westfield owner) that I put the cat on just for the test, it failed the emmissions test but he gave me a certificate anyway saying that if all you do is take the cat off the car when you leave what actual use is it them enforcing the emmissions part of it. Not sure what difference the cat makes though. DD
Nifty Posted July 20, 2006 Posted July 20, 2006 My last test was visible smoke only .. despite the station being computerised. The tester told me he'd melted his probe on the last 7 he'd done so wasn't going to risk £180 again. So they can obvioulsy override the system somehow *thumbup* Keep off the straight and narrow 😬
SteveD Posted July 20, 2006 Posted July 20, 2006 Interesting thread. Mine goes in for its first MOT next month and am banking on the fact that as its not been modded/upgraded since new.. so should go through clean as per the original SVA test. Re: The Steve Greenaulds remap.. does any one have any power graphs to compare the Minster Race Mapping against Steve G's.. Steve D. Aztec Orange Rrrrrr400...
Simon.Rogers1 Posted July 20, 2006 Posted July 20, 2006 No. My Minister Race map was individual to my engine as it was Tweaked for me. When recently at Steves he tried every pin he could think of. Nothing worked. It clearly was different. In the end Steve basically had to re format the ecu to allow him to even remap.
SteveD Posted July 20, 2006 Posted July 20, 2006 Simon, So did you get what you was looking for from the remap that Minster couldn't deliver 🤔 Steve D. Aztec Orange Rrrrrr400...
Simon.Rogers1 Posted July 20, 2006 Posted July 20, 2006 Not relevant really. I had a good map from Minister - never suffered the problems that others used to and used to go well no flat spots as per road going R400's I had head work and cams done by Hellier so therefore had to be remapped. Steve and Steve were just excellent. Yes the results were good to - 220bhp / 155lbft You could pay for the remap which Steve's would certainly say was the only true way to map a car as they are all so different or contact Minister and try to arrange for them to put my map onto the ecu. saying that Graham at Minister insisted i sign a disclaimer at the time that i was aware that the map would not let the car pass the mot. But it ran sweet as a nut
Mark w Posted July 22, 2006 Posted July 22, 2006 So has anyone successfully passed an MOT ( legally ! ) with an R400 road map as supplied by CC ? Mine is exactly as it was when it passed the SVA ( well it will be when i refit the cat ! ) so i would expect it to pass but all these horror stories i hear are beginning to make me wonder . Best not leave the MOT until the last minute.
Mark w Posted January 2, 2007 Posted January 2, 2007 Well , i took my R400 in for its first MOT today ( with the Cat fited ) and guess what it failed on emissions. ☹️ Luckily the tester turned a blind eye and i got a certificate 😳 but i may not be so lucky next year. Has anyone who has had their car remapped by R and R had it sucesfully through a MOT test without resorting to the bottle of whisky bribe ? If the answere is yes i suspect that i will be going this route for next year.
bertie Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 Rather late to the thread I know but... My R400 with standard road map has just sailed throught the emissions test. I re-fitted the cat and took it for a good 3/4 of an hour rag dolling to clean the cat and get it good and hot, passed easy, all miles under the limits.
davef Posted February 1, 2007 Posted February 1, 2007 Bertie - a good result Mark, my R400 - as mapped by Steve - is up for it's MOT this month. I'll let you know what happens. I have a cat (the standard single pipe one modded for my powerspeed system) to refit so hopefully it will pass. does any one have any power graphs to compare the Minster Race Mapping against Steve G's.. Yes. I'll try to fire up the scanner over the w/e. The results are very favourable - my initial comments are here Dave
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