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Phillip Meyer
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I have a new petrol 4x4, an EV and now another Caterham.

My EV costs about £400 a month (for it's PCP or whatever it's called contract) and virtually nothing on my home electricity bill. Before I bought it I was filling up weekly at over £100 a time. Now I only really drive the 4x4 for long distances, bad weather or when I want to be more comfortable and I hardly ever fill it up. I am 100% certain that I am at worst break-even on the cost of the EV monthly for the school run alone.

I'm filling up the Caterham nearly daily when I drive it but that has a super-thirsty engine with a tiny petrol tank.

Just to add, other than a Caterham I wouldn't buy another petrol car (and I'm definitely not buying another diesel). Next car will be a bigger equivalent of the Mercedes EQC when they launch one.

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So fundamentally it comes down to EV values in the used market. Currently not enough EVs that are old enough to have depreciated to an affordable level, and those that are older are commanding a higher price due to supply and demand.  Nothing new there, it was the same when the market switched heavily to diesel, same when 4x4s became a desirable option to transport little Tristan and his multitude of siblings and friends, if you're buying at a vehicle type / price point where you're buying used, you're often 5 years behind the cycle changes, and we're not yet 5 years in to a mass market of EVs.

Last weekend I drove the Caterham to the north of Scotland and was surprised at how many Teslas there were, in what could be described as the middle of nowhere, and even more surprised to find there's an EV charge point in Durness! The world's changing and it's changing fast.

I've taken a screen shot of Zap-Map which shows charge point locations and zoomed out enough to show the whole northern section of Scotland, there's many more charge points than I had thought and I'm sure if I zoom in on a specific location more will appear, this of course doesn't include any charging at home or work, only commercial EV charge points. Running an EV anywhere in the UK is now a very serious option, affordability being the only barrier.



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#10 Harry -not just you. We are a 3 car household - Yeti4x4 , Yaris and MX5 and while Joanne could manage fine with a Leaf , it' d cost her 15 k or so to upgrade and as for the  Yeti.. ..ouch. I need long range , off road ability and 4x4 so that means something worth more than all 3 cars combined . I am not fussed what drives my daily car but I am fussed about a 40k hole in my bank account Grumpy  

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It is definitely a lot easier to install new charging points than a petrol station. So I would expect to see exponential growth for installing them over the next few years.

I expect our next car (in 2 years time) will be an EV. Pondgirl fancies the upcoming VW Buzz, but it will be interesting to see what is readily available around then. 

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Re #8: A friend has a Porsche Taycan and I saw it up close for the first time this weekend, the brake disks look to be bigger than the wheels on my Caterham. It weighs 2.4 tonnes and I am afraid I cannot see electric ever being a sensible solution for track cars unless they can get the weight down

Doug, we have had a few sessions at our trackdays with both a Taycan and Model 3 Performance on the track with the other cars (I'm the only Caterham there, but the mix on track can be anywhere from Honda Civic to Maserati MC12 with lots of Corvettes and Porsches in between).

The Taycan is quite fast, but when I'm closing on it I can smell the brake pads from several hundred metres behind. The Model 3 is only good for about 3 hot laps before the tyres and brakes get too hot and battery management system goes into reduced power, it also can only do about 100km on a full charge at track speeds.


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On our current housebuild, the builder has suggested that we wire for a charging point in the garage, even if we just terminate the connections rather than fitting an actual charging unit.  I'm hoping that the 2 cars we have right now will see us through the next decade or so, by which time an affordable new or used EV may be an option.

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We have an EV, an e Niro. Great for all local stuff. Not so good for longer faster runs. Range gets disproportionately hit and if you're charging on the road it's nowhere near as cheap as some make out.

It's also less comfortable, noisier, doesn't handle as well as and is a lot slower in real terms than our XF, first choice every time for a serious trip. 

Big problem for ride and handling is the mass. It weighs as much if not more than the XF, even though it's a lot smaller and shorter. The low down COG gives a first impression of nimbleness but eventually you see that it's OK but not at all special. Likewise the lack of engine noise and instant torque is impressive for a while but road noise is significant and the torque doesn't much matter once you're underway. 

I'm sure they'll get there eventually but the promises of lighter and higher capacity batteries are wearing thin. The infrastructure's not there yet and did I mention the cost? 

We'll keep ours though; as I said it's great for what we use it for, but I can't yet see when we'd have two EVs in the household. 

Maybe never if the quest for carbon neutral synthetic fuel is successful. 

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Currently I don't see supply of charging points meeting demand unless some serious infrastructure improvements are made.

AlanO, indeed, this point was made to Dacorum before they started building the multistorey car park in Berko. Across the six levels, just six places are charging points. They didn't listen, nor were they aware of the prevailing tide.

I expect they will need to make ammends very soon, plenty of electic cars around here.


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#17 All you need really is a spare 32A RCBO in your consumer unit. It should be easy then to install a charger unless the CU is inside and there'd be an advantage in pre wiring. 

More important, IMO, to make sure you get a 100A main fuse. Seems to be a preference to fit 60A these days which doesn't leave much spare capacity when you're charging an EV. 

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My trusty old petrol Volvo V70 will do 40mpg on a run, costs zip in depreciation and is about as eco-friendly/sustainable as possible as it doesn't really consume anything except for the odd spare part. There's no way anything electric is going to match it in the foreseeable future so when it eventually dies (that'll be a sad day), I'll be on the lookout for another!